Is the new batch of up and coming heavyweights going to be better than....

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, May 26, 2019.


Which batch will be better if/when meet? Young heavies, or current top three?

  1. The old guard of Joshua, Fury, and Wilder will be a them

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  2. The new guard of Hrgovic, Ajagba, and Makhmudov will beat them.

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    32.4%
  1. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ajagba's power is yet to be really tested at a higher level, Parker looked like a puncher too early on then he stepped up and his power hasn't looked the same. Ajagba looks like he hits hard but to say he hits harder than Wilder is pure speculation on your part.

    Yes Ajagba has offensive skills but so does David Price. He doesn't move his head, backs up in straight lines and his defence overall is lacking. He looks great against guys who stand in front of him to be hit but when he faces someone who can hit back with power he may start looking very average with such a rudimentary defence.

    The young guys are looking good facing weak opposition, even David Price looked like a monster until he stepped up. Yes they are rising up faster but until they make that important step up to genuine contender level they could all be another Price rather than another Joshua.

    Maybe these young guys will be better than the current crop or maybe they will be worse, we won't know until they step up and show up what else they have in their arsenal.
     
  2. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    hilarious.
     
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  3. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Except for AJ their resumes are horrible.
     
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  4. MarcelCerdan13

    MarcelCerdan13 Member Full Member

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    You’re either incredibly knowledgeable and perceptive or just have a fetish for aggressive guys with a decent left hook who’ve proven next to nothing. Not saying these guys don’t have a lot of talent but you’re metric for assessing seems purely based on you seeing something you think looks cool. We’ll see in time I guess. Given your Breazeale-Wilder breakdown, I’m assuming it’s the latter.
     
  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Why?

    Fury was bested for PED's. Yes he beat Wilder and was robbed. True, but his next opponent is a joke of pick for a title fight, and he's already selected a few like him.

    Wilder? Has he beaten a top five opponent yet? No, just an old Ortiz, who he wants to fight again now that's he's looking even older and heavier.

    Joshua stands out, at least he's fighting the best. He can't make Fury or Wilder met him, they must agree to terms.
     
  6. NasalSpray

    NasalSpray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why don't these young guys fight eachother if they want to prove they deserve a shot? No instead they fight bums and complain "no one wants to fight!"
     
  7. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think boxing today where fighters fight for longer and longer means Joshua will be in his prime still whilst these guys hit theirs.
     
  8. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Well then you didn't really read my break down so the little throw backs here actually mean little to me,bc everyone who actually has followed my top order sees its falling in place where I rank guys since I joined on here

    The difference between us is im not stupid enough to think a 1st rnd Wilder win changes much as I went over that and would then have to go on my weight % I put up which shows wilder at 224 ( he was 223 ) winning,before I actually did the break down,not that I would change it and would simply move the goal post to Wilder by a good 60% next time . The only one who can prove me wrong is actual Breazeale who I think will still defeat guys in top 10..but hey WTF do know ? lol

    So in a rematch I would still put Wilder only at 60 % chance of wiining bc of two punchers.

    Just LIKE I would still put Fury at 50% chance of winning in a second wilder fight despite winning 10 rounds ( and I bet you had Wilder winning right ? Were you quite then ? lol ) Its bc you don't and cant change the odds much on those fights unless Wilder would replicate it again bc puncher vs puncher is a chance fight and boxer vs puncher is almost as hard to equate but easier.

    I know one thing for such an unknowledgeable person on here ,my listing sure hit the mark ALL the time . lol

    Then again maybe you're just bitter telling me about that HW you said wasn't an arm puncher ready to take over??/Yea what was his name ?Where did that guy go ? Meanwhile SIRENKO the ACTUAL future of the division isn't even in your top 10 prospects awhile back and you want to educate me on boxing ? lol
     
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  9. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Compared to the mentioned he is not winning.

    Theres levels to this game and the ones I list are the ones most likely not to lose before a title shot.

    1. Sirenko ( hes later ...still a prospect )
    2. Hrgovic ( he not a prospect ,him and Joyce are 50 /50 )
    3. DDD taking my chance here and if he gets by Gorman ? That tells me im right.
     
  10. MarcelCerdan13

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    Fury was robbed lol, no question about it for me. The Breazeale win did change my thinking a bit, not necessarily regarding the Wilder-Fury rematch though. Given you were horribly wrong, you should probably alter yours as well. No shame in it. I don’t know what any of this has to do with Wilder-Fury in the first place though. I will say I do see the odds for the rematch being similar unless we see some improvements from Fury indicating he really “was at 40 percent and will be a 100 next time.”
    Jalolov is being moved at a solid pace. He’s faced several guys who’ve gone the distance with guys who are ok but not great like Franklin and Rock and got them out quickly. You still, apparently, are unable to correctly identify arm punching. I understand how You think I would be bitter, as by that same logic you should be fuming at the mouth at the slow progression of Sirenko’s career.(it does seem to be the case, anonymity provides a good outlet I guess) He’s fought no one any one can make comparisons to besides woods and Nascimento, who he didn’t do anything special against. Furthermore, his amateur achievements pale in comparison to my own and most generally agreed upon top prospects, meaning all we have at this point are his optics- which to be fair are pretty good.
    By contrast, Jalolov has a major promoter backing him and was on a major card at msg in his third fight. Jalolov is currently 6-0 with 6 knockouts, 4 of which come against fighters who’d never been stopped. He’s definitely not on a fast track like Joyce or Hrgović, but I feel he’s done well for himself in his first year as a pro and is set to progress appropriately with the passage of time. I like Sirenko, but I need to see more of him before I can thrust him up there with my top prospects, let’s hope that happens soon.
     
  11. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    How was I Horribly wrong giving rounds 1_ 4 Wilder..... 5_ 8 Breazeale ......9/10 Wilder...and 11/12 for Breazeale ...ina what I stated 50/50 fight ...but placed it as a slight edge on punchers chance for Breazeale? I didn't read after your opening statement which maybe someone else can get something out of it ?


    Me myself will not strain my eyes on a book report focused misinfo about myself which is the agenda here ( never a good idea and which will Never work on here ) ,theres a ignore button as well if your that obsessed to whatever that LONG report you wrote is about....SMH..lol
     
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  12. MarcelCerdan13

    MarcelCerdan13 Member Full Member

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    How you can tell me that you’re not reading it because it’s about misinformation about yourself, and then claim you don’t know what it’s about because you’ve haven’t read It? Makes about as much sense as the rest of your conclusions. I answered your question serviceably, and as you had no problem writing a similar book report length post earlier, I will assume you can produce no answer and resorted to playing dumb. Bottom line is no one shares your enthusiasm for Sirenko for some very good reasons, maybe you should try looking into them.
     
  13. Massa

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    Dychko, Sirenko & Jalolov are gonna be forces.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Pretty much. Wilder wants to re-match a very old Ortiz.
     
  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    A maybe on Jalolov. Thay guy throws straight punches with speed and really good power.

    I don't think Dycko hits hard enough, but he can make the top ten.

    Not a big believer on Sirenko. Yes he can hit and has speed but he wasn't the most durable guy in the amateurs.