Biggest waste of talent

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Jack Catterall, May 25, 2019.

  1. Shempz

    Shempz Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2014
    Messages:
    849
    Likes Received:
    743
    Kirkland Laing.
     
    lloydturnip and robert ungurean like this.
  2. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,888
    Likes Received:
    5,595
    Ahh, the Speed King reference to my avatar.:)
     
  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,755
    Likes Received:
    13,600
    Mando Ramos - he could have been so much more.
     
    Jel, robert ungurean and red cobra like this.
  4. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2017
    Messages:
    5,800
    Likes Received:
    5,501
    He beat Duran which was far beyond what someone of his limited talent should have achieved so he overachieved not wasted his talent. Any other time he stepped up, he was badly beaten.
     
  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2019
    Messages:
    8,757
    Likes Received:
    11,696
    See me FLYYY!
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2004
    Messages:
    38,042
    Likes Received:
    7,578
    Right Scar...THE answer.
     
    scartissue likes this.
  7. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2004
    Messages:
    13,386
    Likes Received:
    2,948
    Greg Page
    Edwin Rosario.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2005
    Messages:
    65,694
    Likes Received:
    52,771
    Johnny du Plooy... Fighting spirit, athleticism, power, mustache...
     
    red cobra likes this.
  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2004
    Messages:
    38,042
    Likes Received:
    7,578
    He had a fine mustache all right, but alas, no beard.
     
  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2005
    Messages:
    65,694
    Likes Received:
    52,771
    "Booze and Broads" Du Plooy didn't exactly have the mythical monk-like training discipline of other heavies we discuss. And he tended to lead with his chin.
     
    red cobra likes this.
  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,755
    Likes Received:
    13,600
    Red, there was another. Much more obscure but he had legendary status in Mexico during the '50s, named Toluco Lopez. Apparently this bantam really never trained. He got by on his absolute natural ability. Really a party animal from south of the border who was hooked from an early age on an indigenous drink called pulque. He was notorious for showing up either wasted or untrained for a fight. He was actually a top contender during the '50s, but again, he did that on natural ability until it caught up with him. There was a story I once heard against a club-fighter named Willie Parker and Lopez shows up for the fight in dire straights. You've heard the story of getting the s**t beaten out of him? Well he did. After a number of well-placed body blows the pulque hit home and it came running down his leg. He beat Parker good in a rematch but you see where this is going. There is a youtube out there late in his career against Juan Ramirez. The audience cheers their beloved idol until it is apparent he again showed up out of shape and they begin booing and throwing cushions into the ring. The incompetent referee hysterically actually tells them to box on with a canvas filled with cushions (BTW, this is the same incompetent/corrupt referee who stole the title from Armando Muniz in his first title fight with Napoles). Anyways, the fight is stopped and it looks like it is a no-contest but Ramirez wins. Don't know how that comes about. Anyways, Lopez might really have been something if he got his head out of the pulque bottle. Apparently he was dead at 40. I don't know the circumstances.
     
    ecto55 and red cobra like this.
  12. Shempz

    Shempz Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2014
    Messages:
    849
    Likes Received:
    743

    Wrong, he had bags of talent, but virtually zero application. He only put it together properly in a few fights - Duran being one of them.
    Other than that, he preferred to party 24-7.
     
    lloydturnip likes this.
  13. Massa

    Massa New Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2019
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    11
    Scott Harrison
     
  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,755
    Likes Received:
    13,600
    What I always remember about Laing was how he capitalized on his greatest win - by taking a year off. Nothing like striking when the iron is hot.
     
    Jel likes this.
  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2007
    Messages:
    17,119
    Likes Received:
    16,852
    Cooney
    Ruddick
    Dwight Davidson
    Clint Jackson ( probebly burnt out)
    Johnny Bumpas ( never lived up to full potential)
    Alex Ramos ( was supposed to be the star of Duvas young champions stable)
    Oba Carr ( Seemed destined for a much bigger future)
    Ike Quartey ( thought he were ould have a much better career.
    I wouldn't call all of these guys wasted talents. I just felt some of them would have had much more productive careers.