Evander Holyfield, The Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, May 29, 2019.


Who beats a prime Evander?

Poll closed Jun 1, 2019.
  1. George Foreman

    21 vote(s)
    72.4%
  2. Larry Holmes

    21 vote(s)
    72.4%
  3. Mike Tyson

    9 vote(s)
    31.0%
  4. Joe Frazier

    13 vote(s)
    44.8%
  5. Muhammad Ali

    25 vote(s)
    86.2%
  6. Joe Louis

    17 vote(s)
    58.6%
  7. Lennox Lewis

    15 vote(s)
    51.7%
  8. Wladimir Klitschko

    7 vote(s)
    24.1%
  9. Other

    12 vote(s)
    41.4%
  10. None of the above (state who)

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%
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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I really enjoyed doing the Lewis one, so I'm doing another. Same 3 ideas, A poll of who beats him, my analysis of his skills, while scoring his fights and a sort of Appreciation Thread. But also covering what I know of his alter ego, Evan Fields
    So here we go...

    Evander Holyfield, The Real Deal

    Evander is the only man in history to unify both CW and HW divisions, he is also the only man to win the HW title 4 times. He has a storied amateur background, going 160-14 with 75 KOs. Winning

    • U.S. National Championships Bronze Medalist (178 lbs)
    • 1983 Pan American Games Silver Medalist (178 lbs) in Caracas, Venezuela
    • 1984 National Golden Gloves Gold Medalist (178 lbs) in St. Louis, Missouri.
    • 1984 U.S. Olympic Trials Bronze Medalist (178 lbs) in Fort Worth, Texas.
    • 1984 Olympic Games Bronze Medalist (178 lbs) in Los Angeles, California.
    He has an incredible résumé as a pro too going 44-10-2 with 29 KOs and beating

    Dwight Muhammad Qawi 2*
    Michael Dokes
    Buster Douglas
    George Foreman
    Bert Cooper
    Larry Holmes
    Riddick Bowe
    Ray Mercer
    Mike Tyson 2*
    Micheal Moorer
    Hasim Rahman

    It's highly debatable whether him or Lewis are the number 1 HW of the 90s, to me it's Lewis with Holyfield as a very, very close second.

    I watched him fight

    Riddick Bowe 1
    Lennox Lewis 1&2
    George Foreman
    Larry Holmes
    Micheal Moorer 1
    Buster Douglas
    Bert Cooper

    He never showed for an instant he had a percentage of quit in him and brawled whenever he wanted, which wasn't very clever. He had decent power, more than he's given credit for here.
    He had handy boxing skills, but he rarely boxed.
    He had lots of technical flaws, that elite HW boxers could take advantage of.

    He had very cagy footwork, a mean left hook, good lead crosses and one of the best inside games the HW division ever saw, he was a real handful in his prime. And what's more is you'd be hard pressed to find some one who had more heart. His chin was built of iron as well taking some huge shots of Bowe, Lewis and Foreman.


    He's not without his fair share of controversy however, he was awarded a debatable Decision against Riddick Bowe l in the second outing as well as a draw vs Lennox Lewis. He was on the wrong end of another controversial decision against the Super sized Nickolai Valuev, which had he won (like some/most believe) would have claim to being a 5 time HW champ and being the oldest one ever at the end of a huge height, reach and weight disadvantage. It's arguable he was robbed of one of the greatest wins ever in one of the worst fights.
    He has always been criticized for his constant use of Headbutts.

    The biggest controversy in Evander's career is his alter ego, aka Evan Fields. Evan was a patient of a Applied Pharmacy Services, Evan, whilst not actually Evander had the same address, the same birthday and when the police/investigators rang the number linked with the name, Evander himself answered. It is said that Evan bought drugs from here from 1988 to 2006, basically all of Holyfield's career at World Level.
     
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  2. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Nothing to describe Holyfield with except "warrior". A revival of the spirit of Frazier and Marciano

    You forgot to allow multiple votes
     
  3. he grant

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    It's tough for me because I love his heart and kills and without doubt he had a terrific chin but I feel deep down he was certainly on some sort of PEDS .. Let's just say he was a great fighter.
     
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  4. Mendoza

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    The poll only allows you to choose once, so it will seem as if few can. Please fix that.

    One of the best things you can say about Holyfield is he fought them all. All styles. He struggled vs. bigger guys who had a jab and power.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

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    Fixed it
     
  6. emallini

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    A skilled warrior. The way he fired back when much bigger men were teeing off on him was so good to watch. I love Holyfield.
     
  7. George Crowcroft

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    I had a thoroughly enjoyable time researching for this thread
     
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  8. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He had a great array of skills. His catching and countering. His inside combos. He had every punch in the book.
     
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  9. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Why do you suppose he lost to Byrd, Toney and Moorer then?

    Of course he also beat Bowe once and held Lewis to a close fight in their second encounter, not to mention Foreman, so i dunno.

    I never felt like Holy struggled with any one style. I felt like his biggest weakness was that he could be enticed to brawl with someone. Even if that someone would gain an advantage by brawling
     
  10. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    My Other:

    Rocky Marciano
    Jack Dempsey

    I also think him vs Liston would be 50/50
     
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  11. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I think when fighting that level of beasts for decades you will lose some.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    Moorer was a southpaw with a jab and power.

    I think age had something to do with the losses to Byrd and Toney, but it also suggest Holyfield had issues with defensive fighters.

    Holyfield was hard to predict, and PED drug use could be the reason as to why.

    Holy fought a pretty diverse range of opponents, and many quality opponents.
     
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  13. Gazelle Punch

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    I’d say he had a harder time of the little guys. Moorer Byrd and Tooney and Qawi (although he won it was a tough fight). Lewis he was old and I’m curious how he would have done prime although I’d give the slight edge to Lewis.
     
  14. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Though Moorer wasnt "big". My point is that Holyfield didnt exactly have an outlier of struggle when facing big heavyweights with good jabs
     
  15. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Holy held Lewis to a very close fight in their second fight. I favor Lewis but i wouldnt be surprised if Holy edges out a decision like in Bowe 2
     
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