Wilder. The best managed/advised HW?

Its called prize fighting for a reason.

highest non PPV fight :2.1 million

Highest PPV ( his only one ) 7/8 million .

He also would have seen NO other pay days over 5 million bc he lost to Fury ,so his career cherry picking would have ended there and he wouldn't have to worry about pricing himself out bc he would have had his hand out then. This was one of the dumbest moves ever in HW history .


Trying to get established as a marketable figure AFTER TEN years and relying on the other HW champion to win bc you wouldn't be relevant otherwise is about as smart as a HW champion announcing he wants to get pregnant.

 

It could be. Well, there are a lot of HWs, so let's just narrow it down to the top three:
AJ — he needs exposure in America, but advised to fight on a streaming platform with a quite limited subscription base, so it's not him;
Fury — I doubt he listens to advice very much, probably just needs a couple of yes-men around him;
Wilder — his advisers know that he's very unbalanced fighter (has limitations but strong points as well) so they lead him very carefully.

 

Wilder and his management have done well at avoiding the good fighters and ''risky'' fights, what it boils down to is what Wilder's ambitions are. Does Wilder want to hold on to a belt, make some money and fight ''easy'' low-risk fights against fighters like Molina, Stiverne II, DB and Arreola or does he want to unify the division and fight the best fighters?

If the ambition is {1} Then Wilder's team have done a good job at protecting him, if it is {2} then they have failed Wilder.

 

So your saying by taking an easier path and benefiting from a rising star who has bought attention and money back to the division is being well managed?

I don't see it that way, Joshua's path is tougher but it's also more rewarding financially as well as in terms of legacy. Sure Wilder's long and relatively easier path to a title paid him good money but far, far less than Joshua has made and seen him deriding and not taken seriously for much of his reign as champion.

Joshua emerging as a heavyweight star and draw was a huge windfall for Wilder and his team, it's allowed him to profit from the attention Joshua brings to the division, that along with the arrival of DAZN has seen money flood into US boxing, especially at heavyweight. But any idiot can profit from a windfall, I mean a person winning the national lottery isn't seen as financially savvy, just lucky.

If anything he's been managed shrewdly. They've done well to keep him champion, ensuring most of his defences are against weak opposition signed to Haymon, on home soil, quickly extracted themselves from the one fight they were scheduled to fight overseas vs Povetkin before anything could be cleared up and the fight allowed to go ahead, favourable officiating in his 2 toughest fight, this is something his managers should be commended on they are clearly looking out for their client here, but also for themselves to be fair.

But I think most of what success Wilder's had isn't down to his advisors but down to himself. It's he who raised his profile, shouted louder for Joshua when his own people did nothing to create interest in a possible fight, created the Bronze Bomber persona, probably went behind his teams back and emailed Hearn that $50 mill offer to force his teams hand which is all the twists and turns of the negotiations so far was the one good move his side has made.

 

Wilder is carefully managed. He has too many flaws to be moved quickly or to be put in risky fights. It's good for his pocket but probably bad for his legacy, although with the American press hyperbole that may even be artificially propped up too. The two best heavies he could of fought years ago Wlad and Povetkin are not options now. The best outside of them that he did fight Fury won almost every round he wasn't knocked down in. All the flashy big knockouts he has cant change the fact his resume is soft for a belt holder, softer than Joshua's and his legacy in the big picture will probably not be very good.

 

He is managed well but his power helps him. His power looks for real, although in the past with big punchers guys looked like one punch knockout guys and then time goes by and the power looks less for some reason. Maybe the guy gets older and is not as sharp or they lose a little enthusiasm, or guys learn to take it. Either way, Wilder power is for real yet his chin does not look good. If I look at his body, his legs are too thin to take many big punches. So he better get guys out of there before they hit him on the chin. And he is quick enough to do that probably. The way he fights he will not stay undefeated too long.

 

Interesting points from OP . I have thought at times whether AJ has been pushed to early . I mean is he the quickest ever unified HW Champion in terms of how few fights before being unified ??? It would not surprise me . You may have a point also that it could burn a boxer out being pushed to far to quickly . So far so good for AJ tho . But that is a point that needs to be thought about .

On the flip side with Wilder him having a much more slow burning career with many fights could be a better option but being a WBC HW champion you shouldn't be up and coming or a work in progress , you should of achieved something . With some 40 odd fights he has only really faced questionable opposition he does not have the definitive fight against a top opponent .

Wilder's time was in the shadow of a dominant Klitschko who was pretty much indefatigable and dominant . There was never really Wilder on an international level , he seems a US interior fighter (still does) not a champion of the likes of Holyfield or Tyson or Lewis . He really sprang into the ether after Fury defeated Klitschko as the other champion who does not really count . The HW WBC seems more like the American domestic belt rather than a World Title right now .

Wilder's career with the PBC seems like the last throw of the dice for PBC as AJ and Matchroom will hold all the HW belts otherwise . Best managed ? Nah , best advised ? Nah . Best protected ? yes and biggest mouth without a doubt . Wilder and his management have been the Machiavellian type , cling to power no matter the cost .

 

sometimes you just can't see the fighter through the amount of managers

 

Essentially this. Wilder's in a great position to make decent money and retire undefeated so long as he doesn't step up. His management have sufficiently built up his fanbase to the point where he can make a couple of million per fight and never have to fight anyone particularly dangerous. In that respect Wilder is sitting pretty. Considering how raw he was and still is that's quite a feat.

 

Wilders time at the top is running out and quickly.

One of the hardest punchers ever, but it’s julian Jackson power. Fast twitch muscles, long limbs, explosiveness.

This is going to go down rapidly in the next 2/3 years. They say power is the last to go, but that’s clubbing George foreman/joe Joyce power.

Wilder needs to make a move as he is also the oldest out the big 3