Is Charlie Mitchell worthy of top 100 P4P placing?

I would certainly say that Mace was better.

Mace dominated in what seems to have been a much stronger era, albeit there wasn't a monster like Sullivan running around.

I agree that Mace was a bit bigger.

 

Yes, I think he could be ranked around the same place as Kid McCoy, or even a bit higher.

 

No. There have been more than 100 fighters who were better than Charley Mitchell in the last 130 years. He wasn't even the best fighter when he was fighting.

 

It's really between him and Dempsey, and I think there's definitely a case for Mitchell being higher, though I'd probably pick Dempsey

 

Since the comparison with Mace was brought up, I think it's worth discussing if he deserves inclusion. I think yes, though I'm not entirely sure where. His fight with Sam Hurst was very impressive, as are his wins over Tom Allen and Joe Goss. I don't see it brought up much but he was a really good wrestler, out wrestling Goss and throwing the much larger Hurst. But on the other hand he really lost the series with Tom King IMO, who wasn't that much heavier, and the saga with Coburn is pretty unflattering.

I think the big problem is if you include him you'd have to look into loads of other bareknuckle guys like Belcher, Sayers and Dutch Sam, with the extra difficulty of learning about the bareknuckle eras you'd probably be more than doubling your work, so unless you're willing to spend several years on it, you're probably best just making the criteria only gloved boxers

 

Who do think would win?

I can't say coz I've literally not seen either

 

I couldn't say the exact reasons, there was a lot of talk about it. I think they both said they wanted it and accused each other of ducking them, but that was stuff I read ages so I wouldn't put much faith in it.

Mitchell vs Jem Smith bareknuckle would've been interesting too.

 

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Though Mitchell seemed to have a knack for turning enermies into friends.

Maybe I'm misremembering, but wasn't Mitchell one of Kilrain's seconds against Sullivan? (Though I think Donovan was his main one)