AJ and Ruiz in 2012 Comparison

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  1. Luizio

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    AJ was winning the gold medal at the London 2012 Olympics, while Ruiz was taking photos from his bathroom LOL!
     
  2. McGrain

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    What a great story Ruiz is.

    Man I hope he wins the rematch.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    2019 comparison

    AJ has just lost to a fat Late replacement

    Ruiz is HW Champions of the world

    So?
     
  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Same. Makes for an interesting landscape
     
  5. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Ruiz is simply a likeable humble human being who acts and looks like a big child. How can you not like the guy? He's simply sweet as candy. Additionally he brutally stopped and beat the guy who is a stiff robotic bodybuilder and acts like he's an ATG. No, he isn't. Ruiz showed him what boxing is about: Skills, will, heart and chin.

    He's a great champion.

    I hope he knocks him out again, this time in front of his home town fans and even more brutal. Joshua and Hearn deserving that. They turned into business, they're far away from boxing. I like what Matchroom did for boxing last couple of years but let's be honest: Matchroom is a well cooked robbery machine and the AJ hype was out of order for some time. He looked more like a business man than a boxer & world champion in boxing. This is the right answer to this.

    Fact is that Joshua vs. Ruiz was a mismatch. Ruiz is simply one class above Joshua in all deparments of the sports excluding physique and as we all know...HW boxing isn't about weight or physique. So let's call him fat or chubby, he's still the much better boxer compared to Joshua.

    And the NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW
     
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  6. Badbot

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    The only reason I don't like Ruiz(or didn't) is because he had too many off nights. He barley beat a shot to **** Liakhovich some years ago.
    So it is obvious that he doesn´t always take the sport seriously.

    And I do think you are a bit too harsh on Joshua. Never once in any of his interviews have I seen him act above all. He has always come across rather down to earth. Even openly admitting that maybe it was really his fault that the Wilder fight didn´t happen.

    And if Matchroom really is such a well cooked robbery machine, then how could you explain that Kelly draw and Joshua stoppage?
    You are a bit bias there.

    And Joshua is robotic because he heavily relies on the basics. But like you said, Ruiz the much better boxer. And IMO he would blast Joshua again the rematch.
     
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  7. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    1. Ruiz had big problems with his promoter before he signed with Haymon/PBC. I don't blame him for being not motivated while getting screwed by Arum/Top Rank. I think there is a video where he talks about that.
    2. I don't think i am too harsh on Joshua. I did not say Joshua was acting arrogant or without class, but the whole thing about him turned into some big business which didn't have anything to do with boxing anymore IMO. Maybe it was Hearns fault but i don't think Joshua has the heart anymore, he's 80% business man, 20% boxer.
    3. Yes, Matchroom is. Matchroom always has TERRIBLE cards and events with unreal mismatches and even if one of those mismatches is going wrong they're robbing the guy who is upseting their fighters. This was the perfect answer to it. I know other promoters like Warren are not better but at least they're not creating such a business around their biggest fighter. I mean look at Fury. Went to the US and fought Wilder after long layoff and being back for six months. Our sports is about that. And now Fury getting hammered for having a "easy" fight in the UK. LMAO. Pathetic.
    4. Let's not forget the event was in NYC not in the UK. Do you really think Ray gets a draw vs Kelly in the UK? No way. Kelly UD with scores like 97-93 till 99-91. NYC is not the UK even if Matchroom is promoting the event. And even there they're able to create a big robbery (Persoon).
     
  8. Badbot

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    So they can manipulate one fight but not the other? Or was Robinson such a clear winner that a draw was the best Matchroom could "cook up" ?

    Fact is that every promotion has bad judging, because it´s universal. It doesn't take much to become a professional judge, thus the massive inconsistencies.

    And the part about Fury :lol:
    Yes, he challenged Wilder, claimed the rematch was next and then signed a big deal with ESPN and is taking a couple of easy fights.
    How is that boxing before business?
    Talk about double standards.

    (And no, I am not blaming Fury for taking the ESPN deal. Boxers have to be smart about such things)
     
  9. cuchulain

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    Happy for Ruiz, he seemed overjoyed.

    But It's a bit early to write off AJ.

    AJ was too anxious for the KO and didn't use his natural advantages.

    He could probably have moved more, kept Andy at the end of his jab, and gone in for the kill only if and when his man was getting knackered.

    Instead, mindful of the occasion (first fight in US), the venue (MSG) and Wilder's recent dispatch of Breazle, I think he got ahead of himself, somewhat underestimated his opponent based on appearance, overestimated how damaged Ruiz was when he KD'd him, and got drawn in to the 'wrong' fight.

    I think the rematch will be a different affair.

    If so, last night will be Ruiz's Schmeling / Rahman moment.

    If it ends the same way, then AJ will no longer be a major factor in the HW division.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Yeah, I'm not writing off AJ, just expressing my fervent hope that Ruiz wins the rematch.
     
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  11. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, I was disappointed for AJ, but Ruiz made me a fan of his last night.