So what “style advantage” did Ruiz have over Joshua?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Style advantage, as a thing, isn't nearly as big in proportion as it has assumed in your mangled head. It certainly isn't anything like as big in proportion as a thing as you seem to think it is in my head. A fighter can have a major style advantage and win or lose, a fighter can have a minor style advantage and win or lose.

    The way you obsess over this is not healthy. Try and forget about it, you'll be happier.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Why Am I talking about it? Ruiz just beat Joshua.

    It’s kind of relevant isn’t it. If there is a notion that short physically disadvantaged fighters that come forward using pressure Are at a style disadvantage then isn’t this quite interesting?
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    A fighter can win or lose because he uses, or is made to use by his opponent, the wrong tactics within his style.

    Where are you getting major style advantage and minor style advantage from? Are you talking about levels within the style? Or the style itself here?
     
  4. smiffyinoz

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    The weigh-in, the press conference, were all a circus. Letting him hold the belts and smiling is absolutely not the right mindset. He forgot he was fighting a boxer who has been fighting from an early age. He simply underestimated Ruiz and got beaten up in the third round so bad he couldn’t recover.
     
  5. sjp17

    sjp17 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His fat helped him !

    When AJs tank emptied and the lactic acid built up in his muscle bound body, demanding more oxygen he didn't have so he completely gassed out.

    Then Ruiz Jr's tired a bit and his body easily processed the fat storage in a system similar to Ketosis, fueling him and causing a huge surge in energy to KO big AJ :) LOL
     
  6. DoubleJab666

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    That's bang on the money. Ruiz was clever. Lacking height and reach he could neither box off the back foot or charge into range. He hovered in and round AJ's punching range and patiently waited for Joshua to tee off; then he punched with him (this was key and brave) where his speed advantage became a weapon and AJ's height and reach advantages were neutralised. But all the time he was in front of AJ and offering pressure. Ring IQ won that fight....
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Look, talking to you is literally the most boring thing a person can do on this forum.

    The reason the second post in this thread where I say this thread is weird has more likes than any other post in this thread is because it is weird.

    You're a Marciano obsessive who has been handled a few times over Marciano and can't let it go; this styles thing is where your obsession has crystallised. It's impossible for you to understand what's said because you don't want to understand what's said. I'm not about to hold your hand through a series of explanations you will make unnecessarily complicated and difficult and which you won't be able to remember or will pretend not to be able to remember in three months anyway.

    choklab, you've claimed in numerous discussion with me that you have had an extensive amateur boxing background and have boxed professionally. As you know, i don't really believe this because some of the posts you make about boxing are so woefully bad it seems unlikely.

    But it might be true. This puts me in a difficult position. I consider you to have a reduced mental capacity. This reduced mental capacity may, if you truly do have, say, 100 amateur fights and 15 professional fights, be explained by some form of pugilistic brain damage. I want you to continue to enjoy the forum, which you clearly do, but I'm not going to continue to answer the strange, tormented questions like those in the second paragraph above.

    If you really don't understand the concept of one fighters natural style lending itself to another natural style, I suggest you buy and read "Box Like The Pros" by Joe Frazier. He breaks down basic style advantages better than I ever could and will further your understanding from a static position.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    Yes, that's pretty much it. AJ fought as a box-puncher but one that didn't know how to refute his opponent forcing him to lead. He also didn't even seem to try to make Ruiz lead before he got put on his ass.
     
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  9. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Before the fight started my friend was asking me my thoughts about Joshua/Fury/Wilder and this is what I told him. Fury has more skills than both but at least Wilder seems like a fighter to where Joshua doesn’t. Wilder doesn’t have the skills but if he senses he hurt someone he gors after them. The advantage I saw from Ruiz was speed and chin. When they would both hit each other it looked like Joshua was hitting harder everytime but Ruiz was able to keep his mind and punch back incombos right away while Joshua would step back as soon as he felt something after the first KD
     
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  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Oh I understand the concept of natural styles More than you do since I have done it. And I quoted that book to you the last time we talked about styles. I Just wanted to make my point. I will leave it there having disregarded the unpleasantness.

    Ruiz fought a great fight. Tactics makes fights.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    So, in your professional boxing opinion, style advantages in boxing DO exist?
     
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  12. Dirsspaardis

    Dirsspaardis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only advantage Ruiz had was having a heart and coming to win. AJ lacked in both departments and got what he deserved.

    Let’s see what this humbling experience makes him do.
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    The successful use of all style exists.

    Natural styles do lend better to other styles, fighters can obviously prefer one style of opponent over another..it only constitutes an advantage when the fighter can impose the successful use of his style against the other.
     
  14. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fast hands

    Joshua wouldn't throw combinations show he was easy to time

    Joshua backed straight up

    Somehow Ruiz has a better gas tank
     
  15. McGrain

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    :lol: of course.

    Yes! What you have just described is a style advantage. When you read "style advantage" just substitute those words for "Natural styles do lend better to other styles".

    That should be the end of the problem.