Joshua has two primary issues: stamina & self-belief

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  1. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, he's mechanical, but he's also huge and an excellent puncher with reasonably good skills. He's usually responsible. And I don't think his chin is as bad as it looked last night.

    His stamina is his greatest physical liability. This has been a recurrent issue, and it appears that his energy gets sapped when he gets hit. I give him full credit for his recovery and KO of Wladimir, but overall for a young guy I think he is forced to be far too economical. Maybe cutting the weights and losing some weight would help.

    Additionally, I thought his lack of self-belief was jarring. He was incredulous about what was happening and befuddled as to how he might fix it. He went into a shell and never came out of it, not really seeing any plausible path to victory.

    By contrast, Fury getting up off the mat in the 12th and Wilder coming back against Ortiz (plus the late rally against Fury) illustrate two fighters who *do* have immense self-belief. Joshua has to close that gap quickly and I don't think the rematch is the way to do it. He needs to refocus in the gym, make some tweaks — possibly including a corner change — and rebuild a sense of "danger" that was woefully absent last night.
     
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  2. Blue Bomber

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    he never lacked self belief until last night
     
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  3. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's sure gone now, tho. He isn't going to recover that by just waiting it out, either.

    Think back to Wladimir post-Brewster, when they had to be very careful rebuilding his confidence. I remember Steward talking about how important the Peter fight was to the entire Kronk organization, because it was a litmus test. And Wladimir fought tentatively but survived it, then moved into the most dominant phase of his career.

    Same thing with Lewis post-Rahman. Foreman referenced the memory of "that night in South Africa" as posing more danger than Rahman himself, and Lewis came through it like the champion he was. So this is Joshua's time to rebuild. I don't think he's ready for a rematch and hope he won't take it, but public pressure may force him into it. This is where you need a strong management team that can shift gears on your behalf.
     
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  4. Oakland Billy Smith

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    Self belief issues is debatable...stamina is not
     
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  5. CarlChilders

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    Well he also has no chin, no heart, no courage, no skill, no footwork. I guess you left those out.
     
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  6. gerryb

    gerryb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you re a hard man,your posts make me laugh,scathing to the nth degree
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Debatable. Imagine Price (who really doesn't have a chin) taking those punches. He'd be dead. And he'd have been dead from Wlad's right hand as well
    He got up 4 times. That's heart
    Courage is litterally what made him lose
    Takam and Parker, watch them back, his ring IQ was going up. Although he didn't show a thing last night
    Watch the Takam fight, he used his footwork well after the second.
     
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  8. Aydamn

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    Are heavy weights supposed to have really good stamina?

    I never knew this? Wow
     
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  9. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    I would say his problems are

    - stamina - muscles don’t win fights
    - multi millionaire
    - he’s a quitter who relied on a fear factor. he literally for the first time faces a bad style match up, and couldn’t adapt and threw it. Fury’s ‘robot’ comments were spot on.
     
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  10. andrewa1

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    Yeah, agreed. I think he SHOULD beat Ruiz, but he may not be mentally up for it in an immediate rematch. But, for his career, he's really backed into a corner. I don't see any way he can avoid an immediate rematch without suffering absolutely devastating repercussions to his long term prospects, both in terms of popularity and in terms of risking being frozen out by Al Haymon.
     
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  11. BoxingIQ

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    I disagree with the self-belief. If he lacked self-belief, he wouldn't have got up from the Vlad Ko and that Vlad is much better than Ruiz. Stamina is an issue. He needs to lose some muscle. I would say 230 or 235 should be Aj's ideal weight.
     
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  12. Angler Andrew

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    Wilders biggest asset is his self belief and that can to take one a long way.
    I think in reality Joshua having dropped Ruiz,went in for the kill,got caught and never recovered.
    it does happen and should happen.I'm expecting they'll all have a loss at some point.Fury was a second away and Wilder had to survive against Ortiz.
     
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  13. Geo1122

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    230 to 235 is where he should be, as stated above. Also, I mentioned earlier, his mindset seems to be more on not losing, as appose to winning. The same thing, but psychologically different.
     
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  14. Eggman

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    He believed he could beat a stand up fighter in Wlad. He had him hurt numerous times.

    With Ruiz he was bullied and bamboozled, and it shook his confidence to the core.
     
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  15. gdm

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    He would have been finished if wlad wasn’t 41yo
     
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