Yes Ruiz is fat. We should embrace it, it's part of his brand

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  1. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    His body shape speaks volumes about his sincerity. He is unprofessional, undisciplined and not built to last as a professional athlete.

    Same applies to Tyson Fury by the way. Discipline is key to long term success in professional sports.
     
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  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I dont think it helps. If it helped we would see more obese HW champs. But Foreman and Ruiz are the exceptions not the rule.

    In any case Ruiz being fat didnt stop negatively affect him against Joshua.
     
  3. HerolGee

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    hang on,arent you the guy who says 6 foot7 boxers today are the most evolved?

    what happened to your theory now, have u binned it.
     
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  4. Luis Fernando

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    A lighter Foreman gassed during the 1970's against the likes of Ali and in many other fights. A fatter Foreman in the 1990's never gassed.

    If you look at today's top 10 heavyweight division and even during the Klitschko era, majority of the top 10 guys are fat and not skinny with shredded 6 packs. Andy Ruiz Jr, Adam Kownacki, Dillian Whyte, Kubrat Pulev, even Tyson Fury and etc. are all chubby and fat.

    The truth is, it's the muscular guys that are an exception. Joshua is an exception of a bodybuilder who has had a good run in the heavyweight division.

    It's not a coincidence that the top 10 of every heavyweight ranking since Lennox Lewis was filled with fat chubby guys.
     
  5. Luis Fernando

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    Yet, his body shape allowed him to beat Anthony Joshua. Yet, Joshua's body shape didn't allow him to beat Andy Ruiz Jr.

    Come back again, when Ruiz's body shape actually proves to have a negative consequence.
     
  6. 3rdegree

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    Just because Ruiz beat Joshua convincingly doesn't mean the extra girth he carried into the ring didn't effect him negatively. If Andy decides to shed 20 to 25lbs to reach his 'SELF DESCRIBED" untouchable fighting weight I would expect him to give a more impressive performance in the rematch. Think of any current or past heavyweight with an additional 30lbs of fat, and imagine how differently they would perform.
     
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  7. Badbot

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    :facepalm: So thats all Hopkins was in your eyes?
     
  8. Luis Fernando

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    Problem is, a lighter Povetkin and a lighter Parker didn't do anywhere near as well as a fatter Ruiz did against Joshua. So there's literally 0 evidence a lighter Ruiz would necessarily do any better than what he did with more fat. It's pure speculation!

    His extra weight didn't effect him negatively, to the point where it caused him to lose. So no, his fat didn't have any meaningful negative consequence. If anything, the skinnier Povetkin and the skinnier Parker had a greater negative effect from being skinny, than Ruiz from being fat.

    I seriously can't believe people continue to complain about how a boxer looks, despite that boxer being successful, and despite that boxer winning. It's like his performance in the ring doesn't matter at all in terms of his speed, accuracy, power and results. That because he didn't have a comic-book standard physique, that therefore it's not satisfactory!

    It's freaking boxing. To be more specific, it's HEAVYWEIGHT boxing and not a model show. Being heavy is part and parcel of the game and the more weight one carries, the more advantage in can provide.
     
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  9. tinman

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    It was the defining part of his brand and legacy as a prizefighter.
     
  10. tinman

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    There are scientific studies shown that to achieve maximum stamina, speed potential low bodyfat is needed. But Ruiz was more skilled and faster than Joshua anyways.

    Very few obese men have become world champs before.
     
  11. Badbot

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    :lol:Weak opposition?
    Not his upset win over Trinidad? (And don't give me **** about Trinidad being a welterweight. The dude won a belt at 160 and Hopkins weighed in at 157 while Trinidad was 158.)
    Or not Hopkins being the first man to unify all 4 of the major belts?
    Or how about his position as the oldest champion?
    Or the many upsets at his old age? Pavlik, Pascal, Tarver and Cloud?

    Look at his ****ing resume: Jones Jr, De La Hoya, Trinidad, Dawson, Pascal, Calzaghe, Kovalev, Tarver, Taylor...
    But all you see are his wins over Echols and Allen?
     
  12. Luis Fernando

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    Scientific studies show in the ring that fat guys in title fights rarely ever gas in the heavyweight division.

    It's the muscular skinny guys that gas more frequently. Wladimir Klitschko, David Haye and Anthony Joshua being clear examples.

    A skinnier Foreman in the 70's had a knack of gassing regularly. Whilst a fatter Foreman in the 90's never gassed even once.

    Skinnier Wladimir Klitschko was gassing against the likes of Ross Purity and Lamon Brewsters. Yet, they never gassed against him, despite being fatter.

    Fat Andy Ruiz never once gassed against muscular Anthony Joshua. Yet, muscular Anthony Joshua was the one who gassed.

    Fatter Vitali Klitschko always had better stamina and never gassed compared to his younger brother Wladimir Klitschko who always had inferior stamina and gassed multiple times in fights.

    A fatter and heavier Tyson Fury showed superior stamina and never gassed against Deontay Wilder, whilst the skinnier and lighter Deontay Wilder showed inferior stamina and did gas-out.

    I could literally go on and on but you get the point.

    I prefer actual in-ring boxing evidence over some speculative scientific studies that are full of incomplete data.

    Historically speaking, it's the lighter guys who have gassed more frequently than the fatter guys.

    When did you ever see a fat James Toney gas in a fight? Yet, the muscular and skinnier Evander Holyfield gassed against the fatter James Toney? Why was that?

    There's literally no evidence from boxing, that indicates that being skinny makes one DEFINITIVELY and NECESSARILY better conditioned with better stamina. Otherwise, all those above examples I mentioned, wouldn't be happening.

    Also, a heavyweight should never be encouraged to sacrifice durability or power for speed or other attributes, if it means having to lose body fat. It's better to be heavy (more durable) and slow, than to be less durable (skinnier) and fast.
     
  13. tinman

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    Yes the studies do show that more fat requires more oxygen which lowers stamina. Also none of the guys you listed were obese besides old Foreman and Ruiz.

    Also younger Foreman gassed out because he stupidly maintained a very high workrate against Ali.
     
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  14. tinman

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    The defeating of overmatched completion and Welterweights during his very long MW title reign is the defining part of his career.
     
  15. madballster

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    Nobody would complain if Ruiz died his hair blue. However, his physique speaks volumes about his lack of professionalism. He lacks work ethic, plain and simple.

    Basically you are telling us: Guys he won a big fight. Give him a break. He might be lazy, he might be unfocused, he might be unprofessional. Please guys, disregard all that and just look at that one big win of his!
     
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