Tell me why you are now so sure Wilder would beat Joshua if Joshua rebuilds

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tell me why you are now so sure Wilder would beat Joshua if Joshua rebuilds.

    Im not a hater of Joshua or Wilder.

    I have seen so many posters saying after Joshuas loss, that Wilder would have stopped him but who is to say Wilder would have got up from the shot that put Ruiz down?
    Who is to say Wilder would have traded like Ruiz?

    Styles make fights and Ruiz may be the right style to beat Joshua, in that he keeps the pressure on and keeps him working instead of being able to rest.
    I think there are several HWs who could beat Ruiz and many of those I would favour Joshua to beat.
    Consider many feel Wilder has a loss to Fury.

    I have said this many times, but in the UK the HWs get matched tough and built up early which I think can shorten a career as I think the being the centre of attention for them can be very draining and cause upsets to happen.

    He won a world title and unified another 2. He did the hard work, like Wladimir had done previously in winning the titles.

    I have said in another thread how well Wilder has been managed in that he had many learning fights before going for a title but not draining fights where pressure was on. I think that has served well, as well as not being massively exposed in learning world title fights and being on the side waiting for the right time.

    In every one of Joshuas world title fights, his opponents have had more fights than he has had. Think about that, yet he has been in the spotlight more than almost all of the others on the big stage as a brand. That is what I think has been draining
    Home advantage is often a major thing and Joshua took a chance with giving that up.

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  2. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Because Wilder has fought and beaten better fighters than AJ, has the heart of a true champion, doesn't give up when the heat ramps up, and that's before taking into account the ATG raw power in both his hands which is a thousands times harder than anything Ruiz throws.
     
  3. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Lancashire-la-la-la Full Member

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    Well thats just BS

    But what I will say is AJ seems to go down whenever he's connected with properly and Wilder connects most of the time

    Not sure you can rebuild a glass chin
     
  4. Okin129

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    It was always known that Wilder would land on Joshua which means that there would be an oxygen mask and a little flashlight required.
     
  5. Ironmanmt

    Ironmanmt Member Full Member

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    Well for one, Wilder Is a very offensive type fighter who throws punches and If Ruiz was able to get Joshua out of there than Wilder's punching power should also get rid of Joshua. What hurts Wilder is the fact that his chin isn't all that great either, so it may just boil down to whoever lands that big shot first.
     
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  6. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He hasn’t though has he? Joshua still has the best resume and can definitely beat wilder.
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wilder hasnt beaten better fighters imo.
    He looked fortunate to a comeback Fury who many didnt feel was ready and who we know was shedding weight. His best wins I think are debatable between Ortiz and Breazeale. It is my opinion to say they are debatable but if I find those debatable and know that Breazeale isnt Joshuas best win, I cant think Wilder has beaten better opposition.

    Joshua fighting Ruiz in America would imo be similar to Wilder facing Whyte in the UK

    We dont know if Wilder would have got up from Joshuas punches. He may have done but it is not known
     
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  8. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    The thing is, I just don't think Joshua can rebuild. He's too stiff, started too late and is ingrained in his habits. That bodybuilding doesn't help, and I'm sure there is mental fragility.

    I changed my opinion after the Ruiz bout. Wilder overwhelms him with power.
     
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  9. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Ortiz is a superior fighter and technician than AJ, so yes he has in fact beaten better a better opponent than AJ.
     
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  10. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And how has Ortiz proven that?
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Was it glass when he took a massive punch and got up from Wladimir?

    In your opinion and considering how Wladimir rebuilt, did he in your opinion rebuild a glass chin? I didnt think he had one at all btw
     
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  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    How do you know Joshua wouldnt land first?
     
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  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Do you think Wilder would push forward like Ruiz?
     
  14. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    How has Ortiz shown to be superior? He hasnt
     
  15. Okin129

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    Because Wilder has better range control, quicker feet and could take Joshua’s punches better than the other way round, that‘s the reason he would land something lethal before him.
     
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