Will Eddie Hearn ruin Anthony Joshua forcing a rematch this year?

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  1. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I think being disconnected from his senses from the third round onwards played a big part in that. Maybe the overconfidence was what caused the mistake in the first place.
     
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  2. Alphafighter

    Alphafighter Active Member banned Full Member

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    On what basis will AJ generate the most amount of money? Fury has an $80 million deal with ESPN. Wilder was offered a $100 million dollar deal with DAZN. These are 2 undefeated fighters and should they continue their winning form, they will be in a position to ask for more money from the networks.

    Given the mauling AJ received from a fat fighter, i will be shocked to see him make the same kind of money and PPV's in future fights should he lose the rematch
     
  3. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    AJ was the unified champ and considered the number 1 HW. So not rematching Ruiz Jr. would ruin his career more! Not rewatching would speak volumes of AJ. So yes, he needs to make adjustments and regroup. Then fight Ruiz before the year is over.
     
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  4. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Dude...this is just lol. Joshua has the better chin?
     
  5. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep it's weird how we can spot these things and his team dont?I think there's been a whole load of stubbornness on their part,when it's been mentioned about him bulking up and lifting weights,they double down on it and he'd look bigger next fight.
    Wouldn't surprise me if they had this pointed out and did nothing about it.
     
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  6. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Fighting in 5 round fights with 12 ounce gloves doesn't prove anything the rules favor smaller busier fighters
     
  7. Angler Andrew

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    Yep this,Lennox got respect for righting those wrongs.If AJ turns it round then his career will be just fine as soon enough Wilder or Fury will also have a loss.
     
  8. dealt_with

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    How do you measure it? Joshua has fought better opposition than Wilder so it’s hard to accurately judge. They’re both obviously vulnerable, however Joshua has only been dropped by heavy punchers. Wilder has been rocked by guys like Molina, Ortiz almost had him out and Breazeale even wobbled him. On the available evidence I’d say Joshua has a better chin.
     
  9. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    The available evidence says Joshua got knocked out by a guy no one had in their top 5. Any time wilders been rocked he came back and got the ko
     
  10. dealt_with

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    It’s the same rules as the pro game, ten point must system. The size of the gloves make no difference in the heavyweight division, guys get starched regularly. Both Wilder and Joshua got knocked out as amateurs, the guy Usyk toyed with (Medzhidov) wobbled and beat Joshua at the 2011 worlds. Nothing is ever going to prove anything that hasn’t happened yet, but my point is that we have very good evidence and it’s not just blind speculation.
     
  11. dealt_with

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    Again, it comes back to the level of the opposition. Just because no one has a guy in the top five doesn’t mean that he isn’t in the top five, or that he isn’t the best in the division. That’s an illogical argument you’re making, our perception doesn’t create the reality.
    Joshua got stopped, he wasn’t knocked out. Wilder was very lucky that the ref didn’t stop that fight against Ortiz. What is rarely mentioned is that Wilder’s corner sent him to have his face checked by the ref for no reason at the start of the next round, to buy recovery time. His corner knew he was in serious trouble. And I’m not sure that Ortiz is better than Whyte. He’s certainly not better than Ruiz, and Ortiz is Wilder’s only significant victory. As I said it’s relative to your opposition.
    What happens after being hurt has no relevance to what hurt the fighter. Coming back or getting stopped is irrelevant, if your chin shows vulnerability we are talking about chin. Not recovery, fighting spirit etc.
     
  12. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Your only basis for saying Ruiz is better than Ortiz is because you believed Joshua was better and sturdier than Wilder. I disagree. Had it been the other way around and Ortiz beaten Joshua and Wilder beaten Ruiz youd be saying Ortiz is better
     
  13. 3rdegree

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    The general public expects a popular champion that has been decisively beaten by a huge underdog to immediately rematch and avenge the unexpected defeat. Anthony will appear cowardly if he doesn't agree to the rematch considering he's still the favorite.
     
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  14. dealt_with

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    Well I don’t think Ortiz could beat Joshua and I don’t think Wilder could beat Ruiz. It’s not just who is directly ‘better’ but also styles. I think Ruiz would have a reasonably tough fight with Ortiz due to his amateur pedigree and disciplined boxing, I think Ruiz would stop Wilder fairly easily and I think Wilder will probably stop Ortiz again. I like Wilder, he’s the most exciting heavyweight in my opinion. The biggest puncher and he is obviously vulnerable himself. I can’t just ignore the evidence of his fragility against sub par opposition.
    I think Joshua v Wilder is 50/50, as before the Ruiz fight. If Wilder doesn’t stop Joshua in the first two rounds I think Joshua would stop him in the next two rounds. I do think Joshua is more sturdy than Wilder but that doesn’t even matter with Wilder’s punch. Both guys are fragile and both guys have the power to lay each other out.
     
  15. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Convince me Ruiz is better than Ortiz without mentioning Wilder or Joshua