Tell me why you are now so sure Wilder would beat Joshua if Joshua rebuilds

Well in my opinion he doesn’t, we’ll see because you still can’t rule out the fight happening in the future. Anything can happen in boxing and I hope AJ can get some hunger to come back because right now , there are no mega fights out there.

 

As you said, they are totally different fighters. If you go back and read my thoughts leading up to the Fury fight, I knew how that was going to play out, that's who Fury is...and he's great at it. Spoiling...grabbing...hugging...moving...jab, jab...grab, he's a huge man that doesn't like to be hit, if he doesn't want to be hit it's going to be hard as hell to hit him. AJ has none of that, not a fraction, not that he's irresponsible but he's not Fury.

 

You're being silly now.

There was no evidence that he was juiced up against Allen when Ortiz destroyed his entire constitution.

There is good reason why Hearn went back on his promise to honor Ortiz with a chance for the title against Joshua. And they knew he wouldn't stand up to a southpaw counter power punch of his ilk.

Ortiz is just as wily and experienced as Ruiz, his punches would have buzzed and caused Joshua a similar panic attack.

 

Wlad knocked him down and could have won the fight but he didn‘t go for the finish, Wilder would.

Povetkin wobbled him with an ordinary left hook in the first round.

Both would have knocked him out landing bomb after bomb like Ortiz did against Wilder.

 

He went down didn't he?? He goes down alot.... maybe "glass chin" is a slight over exageration but AJ goes down regular, sparring, in fights...

You cannot give any referee an excuse to stop the fight.

Can AJ avoid punches like Fury, certainly not... AJ is easily rocked it seems and is too stiff to get away

There was something wrong with AJ, you don't go from fights like he had against Klitschko and Povetkin (proven top level) to fights like this with Ruiz. Maybe it was nerves, maybe it was panic attacks, maybe it was concussion, maybe it was any number of ailgments said by AJ fans and Wilder fans on this very board.. maybe he shouldn't of been in the ring at all but something was up and it was there for all too see.
His smiling and nonchalant attitude after the fight speaks volumes too.

All credit to Ruiz though, AJ got in the ring so he got what he deserves in any way shape or form.

However, interesting thought, if AJ beats Ruiz in a rematch, would Wilder still demand ridiculous money?? ..Perhaps could work in Joshuas favour in the long term leading Wilder to a false sense of security, AJ looks easily beatable for Wilder now. Certainly more beatable than Fury

The big fights might just happen now...

OR, maybe Ruiz actually just has AJ's number full stop.

I'm liking this shake up in the division, it's what was needed.

 

Lol as if Wilder doesn't have enough money himself? Wilder can take a punch, AJ can't facts.

 

Yes Ortiz is feather fisted, Bermane Stiverne is feather fisted

 

I don’t see your point.

Klitschko at 40 wasn’t faster than Joshua (and certainly not faster than Ruiz) and he was beating AJ for periods.

AJ is also robotic, doesn’t think on his feet or adjust well and isn’t a southpaw. He is not Ortiz. So I don’t see the correlation.

And last I checked, Wilder knocked Ortiz out.

 

This. Also, until Joshua learns to move his head and pace himself better he won’t stand a chance against not only Wilder, but he’ll take a loss to Ruiz again, since Joshua gassed way too fast.

 

He will get there now. As far as AJ is concerned, he is going to be overpaid one final time in the rematch and thats it. Everyone will remember him as a glass jaw quitting fraud.

 

This likely ends with Wilder getting his coveted "body" on the resume.

There's no way to spin this. This cannot be compared to Lennox Lewis. We cannot pretend Ruiz is something he is not.

Joshua was dominated by a 6'0" 270lbs Tub-O-Lard. This is what outboxed him and beat him down.

They need to fight some very safe domestic level fights against complete non-punchers. Pick the cash out date very carefully.

Fury may very well blank him 12-0. Wilder might end it in the first round like Breazele.

There is no spinning what happened on Saturday night.

 

Eh, people are overshooting it now. It might be something like 70/30 Wilder, but Joshua still would have a real chance to win. The biggest difference between them is mental, and the gap between the two is much more vast than I realized.

 

The AJ fan club is in total denial........you guys are not boxing fans, you are AJ fans.

Ruiz put AJ on the backfoot starting in round one and walking him down behind a high guard, he did not do anything special, he just brought the fight to AJ, made him fight 3 minutes a round and AJ simply collapsed due to mental fatigue, a glass jaw and poor stamina.Fact.

If Ruiz would have any real killer instinct he could have ended it in the 4th, AJ barely hang on a thread and wanted it to be over with but Ruiz let him off the hook.

Ruiz is not a big banger, the shots he nailed AJ with were not particular hard, make no mistake, he is not fetherfisted like Fury, but he aint no major cracker........Ruis has also a bad habit to hang his chin high up out to dry when he flurries..........AJ's power is also way over rated, that was more like a flash knoick down not a hurt knock down he delivered.

If there is a immediate rematch Ruiz will finish AJ way quicker.............you cannot train a chin, at that stage of his career he aint improving his stamina, it is what it is even if he drops 20 pounds, he will never move his head once the going gets tough again plus he always will be stiff as a board.

Of real concern is that he flat out quit despite getting all the help from the ref.......his confidence is shot.........and he was exposed as a British local hype who once went abroad and crumbled like a cookie.

WK and Lewis were able to rebuild their careers because they were smart and would protect their glass chins but AJ is as dumb as they come in regards to Ring IQ, he simply does not have the brains to pull thru. They also heavily relied on their power jabs...AJ's jab is a non starter, its a flickering love tap, he does not step into it or has any snap on it.

If he musters the balls to face Wilder he will go down face first Highlight reel KO style, bank on it, he will be so afraid to get hit by Wilder his knees will buckle just thinking about it, the pressure alone of fighting thru adversity will do him in even before the first punch lands....

BTW, Baby Miller would have stopped AJ too, he would have employed the same tactics, walking AJ down behind a high guard, make him fight, make him collapse.

AJ will always fold like a lawn chair if you put constant heat on him without giving him a breather