Herbie Hide V James Toney ?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Hide who whipped Bentt up against Toney who destroyed Holyfield .
    12 round s ??
     
  2. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I do not think Herbie had the psychological make up to compete in such a big fight. Physically he has better of it, and pure boxing skills, he does compare. But Toney learned in the ring, Herbie just relied on exceptional talent.
     
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  3. mark ant

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    Hide was nowhere skilled as Toney P4P when Toney fought McCallum, Hide was never in the ring with anyone near McCallum`s ability P4P, what Hide lacked in fundamentals he almost made up for in speed and Toney was far slower at heavyweight.
     
  4. TBooze

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    But OP is asking about a potential fight at Heavyweight. And Toney had lost a step physically at that weight, whilst Hide did have world class speed and very decent power at his Heavyweight pomp.
     
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  5. THE BLADE 2

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    Toney (Holyfield version) by KO. By the way, Toney is far more skilled than Herbie
     
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  7. Seamus

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    Toney's roid-ridden venture into the big boy class is vastly overrated. Rahman and Peter schooled him. Holy was a .500 fighter at that point. There's just not much meat on the bone. Herbie hit like a truck according to Bowe. I don't think Toney is KO'ing Hide and that Herbie gets enough of his respect to do the leading and not get a lot of counters in return after 4 or 5 rounds.
     
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  8. mark ant

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    Hide didn`t punch harder than Peter, I feel Toney could have easily taken his shots and countered him everytime he was out of position.
     
  9. mark ant

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    Holy still had a better chin than Hide even though he was older, I feel Toney would have stopped the fragile Hide, he was too small for heavyweight and even though Toney was smaller he took a heavyweight shot far better than Hide did.
     
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  10. mark ant

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    Herbie goes bananas (after the first hard shot).
     
  11. mark ant

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    I feel Jones might have beat Herbie at heavyweight and was faster, you can`t compare Herbie P4P to the middleweight Jones, he was on another planet to Hide.
     
  12. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Toney is/was all wrong for Hide.

    Herbie kept those hands lower than anyone in the sport. He is not getting an early ko over this guy & after about 6 or 8 rounds, the fatigue factor has set in and that horrible hand placement somehow gets worse. Toney will come through with some clean right hands and get a few knockdowns & the ref will step in and wave it off. tko rounds 10-12.

    One guy runs the 100 meter dash and the other guy is a marathon runner. But it is a 12k run & it plays into one guys strength and one guy's weakness. For Herbie, he needs a 3 round amateur bout and then he gets his hand raised
     
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    true, certainly pref to herbie fully loaded, with that drug fiend teen mascarading as a lovable disney chik.
     
  14. TBooze

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    Toney would win, but it would not be as easy as you make out. Even in his pomp, speed was Toney's Kryptonite.
     
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  15. Fergy

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    That's right ,Toney did tend to struggle against the speedy guy s .
    I've got Hide well out in front till the latter round s but Toney managing to claw back the lead , then dropping Hide and getting a decision .