Would the average boxer today win a round v the best boxer 50 years ago?

This. I agree with all of this. Fighters themselves simply haven't improved and are actually regressing in terms of boxing skills, since most modern fighters never get enough ring experience and a lot of trainers nowadays simply go through the motions when training a new prospect. However, what has improved by leaps and bounds is sports medicine, since things such as a detached retina, arthritis, or a torn acl used to mean the end of a career while today a boxer can get a detached retina or torn acl fixed and be back fighting in no time.

 

Great post.

Sports science has also come a long way. But not everyone takes advantage of it.

We constantly see world class fighters flagging before 12 rounds.

Some of them couldn't fight 15 rounds in their current condition.

Not everyone today is fitter with more stamina.

Can you imagine some of today's guys fighting, and then having a rematch 3 weeks later like Robinson and LaMotta?

Can you imagine a HW today fighting scheduled 15 rounders every month like Ali did?

There's also a myth that today's guys are more knowledgeable as they can study footage of the past. But it's nonsense. And why anybody would compare track times to boxing is truly baffling.

 

I’ve forgotten more than you’ll ever know about boxing. Do you know why? Because I can keep things in context and appreciate what’s in front of me.
Roy Jones and Parnell Whitaker were the two fighters who got me into the sport. Lomachenko is both of them combined on steroids, and then some. Lomachenko is easily the most skilled fighter I’ve ever seen, there is no comparison.

In twenty years there’ll be another version of you, stuck in the past and talking about how great the heavyweight division was in 2019. You don’t get it, and I just pity you.

 

See this is another example of why you don’t get it.
15 rounds places a physiological demand that necessitates a lower intensity and level of boxing. Fighting every month is what lowers the overall quality, nobody is at their peak at competition time. Everybody is at a low level. You can have people fight every week for 30 rounds, and then you’re going to see even worse boxing. You just don’t understand, that doesn’t mean they have better stamina.

 

I’ve seen hundreds of fighters throw powerful double left hooks.

 

How do you quantify your claim that boxing hasn’t progressed? Everything progresses, yet you claim that boxing is the anomaly? You’d have to have some pretty extreme evidence for that.

Euro fighters and Cuban fighters dominated the amateur game, now they’re pros. That’s why we have the Lomachenko’s in the game now. Greater talent pool, more diverse styles.
In the amateurs they face every style, not just US style.
Fighting less often is a massive advanatage for the quality of athlete at competition time. If you knew the first thing about human physiology you’d understand that.

Golovkin got his knockout by shifting on the weekend (he’s only a euro fighter though). Ruiz won the heavyweight championship by parrying and throwing body shots.
Do you even watch boxing? So why are you talking about it? Go away and masturbate over your Joe Louis collection.

 

Intelligence is absolutely something you are born with, g is a biological factor, it has neural correlates and genetics underpinning it. Fluid intelligence can be thought of as the equivalent of g, and crystallised intelligence can be thought of as the equivalent of knowledge. However crystallised intelligence also contributes to your g score (iq)
Higher complexity necessitates greater fluid intelligence, and is transferred to greater crystallised intelligence. You’re right that people today with the equivalent fluid intelligence would have a higher crystallised intelligence.
Practically speaking it makes no difference, people today are more intelligent because they have more access to information.
The same way that athletes today are better because they have more access to information. If Roy Jones was fighting every month he wouldn’t have been the explosive athlete that he was.

 

Fighters are more diverse due to the restrictions on Soviet and Cuban boxers in the pros lifting. They have access to footage of every other fighter in the world, communication with every other fighter in the world. Sports science ensures that athletes are training and recovering at a higher level. Being a better athlete has a direct transfer to ability to execute skills. There are no skills from the past that you can’t see today.
Amateur careers are longer now, they are more international, and more professional.
Talking about trainers gong through the motions isn’t relevant to top level boxers, and **** trainers existed in any time.
What you’re saying is completely illogical, you can’t back up any claim you’ve made there.

 

John L Sullivan would easily beat Fury, Wilder, Joshua, and Ruiz all on the same night. All while drinking whiskey and smoking cigars in between rounds. Then he’d steal all their women and take them out for a night on the town, while being fresh as a daisy and ready to fight again by the next morning.

 

You've forgotten more than I'll ever know?

Oh dear, oh dear.

Your comments regarding Ray Robinson are absolutely cringeworthy. And they provide clear proof that you don't know anything whatsoever about the man.

Your comments about his era also prove that you know absolutely nothing about it.

Look, I don't mind casual fans of the sport.

I don't mind new fans of the sport.

I'm a casual fan of many sports myself.

The difference is, I don't comment on things that I'm not knowledgeable of, whereas you just make an absolute clown of yourself by trying to appear intelligent, before you predictably end up digging a hole for yourself that's bigger than the Grand Canyon.

Stop.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Loma is Roy and Pea combined?

Here we go again.

Just another prime example of your complete lack of knowledge.

Yes, Loma is great. But he's not even had 15 fights, and Salido gave him all he could handle. Let his career play out before you start declaring him the best fighter of all time.

Don't pity me.

You're the nut who thinks that the current HW division is the best ever.

Go and educate yourself.

 

Don't give me that nonsense.

The point I made was clear:

Despite the advancements in sports science, not everyone takes advantage of it.

That's the point.

You want to generalise and claim that today's athletes are better and stronger etc.

No, they're not.

You've got guys who don't look after themselves properly, and then you've got guys like Joshua, who look great aesthetically, yet who possesses a gas tank which empties before the half way mark in fast paced bouts.

Yes, fighting monthly isn't really ideal. I can agree with that. Because you haven't got long enough to have a rest and recover. But then neither is having huge camps to get weight off, and fighting only 3-4 times per year. Because when you do that, you're not as sharp. And when you're continually putting on weight and then taking it off again, it takes it's toll. Many fighters of the past used to walk around only a few pounds over their fighting weight. Also, fighting more often gave them more experience, where they encountered many different styles.

 

I despair.

Read carefully:

Boxing has progressed from its roots, but it does not keep progressing EVERY decade.

Try and engage your brain for just a moment.

If boxing kept progressing in the way that other sports have, then that would mean that today's guys are the best ever.

If that's what you're claiming, then what you are effectively saying, is the following:

That today's MW's are the best of all time

That today's SMW's are the best of all time

That today's HW's are the best of all time

Now I don't need to provide any extreme forms of evidence to support my opinion. Because It's COMMON KNOWLEDGE to any fan who has a functioning pair of eyes and an understanding of the sport.

Today's MW's:

GGG
Canelo
BJS
Andrade
Jacobs

The MW's of the 90's:

Roy
Toney
Nunn
McCallum
Hopkins

25 plus years between the 2 groups.

A quarter of a century.

A significant amount of time.

Where's the evolution??

And I can do that for 5 other divisions, including the HW's.

Today's HW's:

Fury
Wilder
Parker
AJ
Ruiz
Whyte

The HW's of the 80's and 90's:

Tyson
Holmes
Lewis
Bowe
Vitali
Wlad
Evander

Where's the evolution??

Where's the progression??

It's not there.

It's not there to any knowledgeable fan.

The fact that you think today's HW's are superior tells us everything we need to know about you.

You don't know anything.

You are ignorant.

If you were watching boxing back then, then you would KNOW that those guys of the past were superior.

If you want me to embarrass you by listing more divisions, it's not a problem.

Boxing ebbs and flows and it has done for years now.

Today, the CW and LHW divisions are stronger than in past eras. But many of the other divisions clearly aren't, as noted above.

Now instead of replying back to me, go and watch some great fights of the past.

Go and educate yourself and save us all from the pain of having to read your awful posts.

 

AJ had access to almost every fight of Andy Ruiz's.

He has access to state of the art training facilities.

He has a chef.

He has a masseuse.

He has a sports psychologist.

He has a strength and conditioning coach.


Two weeks ago, he was blasted by a small obese man, after his gas tank gave out on him before the half way point.