Has Fury shown enough to be in the conversation of the next potential great heavyweight?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    At age 30, Tyson Fury at 28-0-1 has shown enough ( I think ) to enter the conversations of great potential heavyweights. On the other hand its debatable as his official wins are on the thin side.

    While Fury will need a few more wins over current Ring Magazine top ten opponents to cement his boxing legacy, he is in position to do it.

    Admittedly I'm not a big fan of Fury. Here's my report on him.

    Boxing skills/ability to win rounds: Grade A-

    Fury is a very tall and mobile boxer with ridiculously long arms who know how to use his assets. He moves well and defensively has the ability to make other heavyweight miss, which is something seldom seen in a man his size. He can also in-fight, and deliver body shots and is accurate in general. In terms of overall boxing ability/ the ability to win rounds, Fury rates favorably to most past lineal / Ring Magazine champions.

    Power: Grade B. While not a one punch type of guy ( Omitting the KO2 win over Schwartz who has a very weak chin ), Fury can get most professional heavyweights respect. More of a grinder type who stops his opponents through attrition.

    Hand and foot speed: Grade B+ While not elite here, he moves his feet and has better hand speed than most.

    Ring IQ / Ring Generalship. Grade B. While Fury surely know where and when to engage, he does clown a bit, which might cost him down the line vas a very good opponent. He's there to entertain the fans, and I think the " show " is a double-edged sword that can add to his popularity, and also could limit his chances to win. So A- for a gameplan downgraded to a B for his entertainment gaps in the fight.

    Chin / Punch resistance: Grade B. We've only seen Fury take a chin checker once, and it was vs. Wilder. While recovery and getting up as he did with his legs underneath him was impressive, I've also seen him buzzed by a non-punching blown up cruiserweight.

    Size. Grade A+ At 6'8" tall with an 85" reach, Fury is a virtual unicorn at heavyweight. Few will be taller or have more reach, and few in shape will out weight him.

    Quality of opposition faced. Grade C- Wlad at age 39 remains Fury best win. Fury showed how much better he was than WIlder in a draw that should be classified as a robbery. Wins over Chisora and Hammer, fringe contender types at best when he fought them round off his top 4 opponents faced. At age 30, Fury has plenty of time to improve in this department. he could clean out what's left of the era ( WIlder re-match, Johusa or Ruiz Jr fight ) and then face the next wave of up and coming super heavyweight, almost all of whom can punch, some can well too. Retaining his title with this path will earn him hall of fame distinctions. Hopefully, he does not take the Wilder path of picking non-top 10 opponents in a consecutive fashion for title defenses.

    Heart / Conditioning. Grade A- Fury defies conventional wisdom as he can be 20 pounds overweight, and it doesn't affect his performance level much. He has very good energy for the later rounds. His ideal weight is likely 245 pounds. When things aren't going Fury's way he has yet to show signs of folding / taking the easy path in exchange for what he must do to win.

    Outside the ring work ethic and clean living. Grade D. While Fury's return to boxing from a rehab center was impressive, I'm not sure how much of it was part of his show. Fury was dealing with a PED suspension. The rehab portion could have been quite a cover act as overcoming addictions is not an easy feat. Or maybe it wasn't an act. I think it was, at least partially. Fury is his best promoter, almost as good as Ali was. If Fury wanted to 245 pounds, he certainly could be. There comes a too much weight cost a fighter. 263 pounds isn't the number, but 275 could be. It's also unclear when Fury's problems with depression, drinking, or alcohol will resurface.
     
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  2. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Has Fury shown enough to be in the conversation of the next potential great heavyweight?

    Yes. He's not there yet but isn't far off either.

    If Fury can beat Wilder in a rematch and then defeat two out of the following three : Ruiz, Joshua, Usyk then he can be possibly talked about in the same vein as Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe.
     
  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Not for me, he'll have to do more than beat Wilder and win two mores wins ovet those names to be in Lewis class. He might get in the hall of fame one day, but great heavyweight requires a bit more, I think.
     
  4. The Malibu Mauler

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    I think if he doesn't screw up the next fight with Wilder, then he can definitely be classified as great.
     
  5. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What in your opinion does he need to be considered a great ?? 20 title defenses in a row preferably in Germany against C+ level opposition ??
     
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  6. Mendoza

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    To be a true great, he needs to clean out the guys on top for now, and then facer the young undefeated heavyweights who can box and punch on the way up. If he can do that, no debate, A loss along the way is okay ( but not vs. a guy on Schwartz's level ) , its the key wins that matter most. Right now he has just one. I think he needs 3-4.
     
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  7. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There are fights that exist presently that could propel him into that category but at the moment his accolades and reputation rest more on his budding potential than his presently thin resume.

    Unlike Wilder and Joshua, Fury appears to have the least amount of blemishes on his resume; AJ has more wins and was pre-Ruiz, higher up the ladder. Wilder who has been campaigning on the sideline racking up hollow title defenses appeared more promising than Fury up until they actually met in the ring and fought to a draw (or disputed draw).

    Fury beating Wilder, Joshua and Ruiz would put him head and shoulders above the crop and should on path to be considered worthy of discussion.
     
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  8. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, theirs nothing special about Fury other than the especially weak era he's fighting in. I've seen damn near every Heavyweight champ in history from the late Dempsey era, through today either live or on film. Fury doesn't pass the eye test. Slow hands and slow feet, not a heavy puncher, he's constantly off balance, and usually is slapping and rabbit punching, usually gets no leverage on his punches, probably can't spell " Slip and Counter" much less do it in an actual fight, his biggest advantage is his size and his opponents not knowing how to deal with it. Including Wilder, who was basically lost in the ring with Fury other than landing a few telegraphed right hands. It's just a very bad era in boxing and it's not just the Heavyweights.
     
  9. Glass City Cobra

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    Did we learn nothing from the joshua disaster? Lets wait till a guy's career is at least 70% over before we label them a potential great? Guy is not even in his mid 30's yet and hasnt been in that many wars.
     
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  10. reznick

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    He's basically already there.
    Wilder is really close too.
     
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  11. roughdiamond

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    He needs to do a bit IMO. If he beats all the top men (Joshua, Wilder, Ruiz) and some serious top contenders, dominantly, then he is great or atleast borderline.

    However, I doubt it will happen.
     
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  12. janitor

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    No.

    He needs a lot more fights against ranked opposition.

    He will never get there fighting men like Schwartz.
     
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  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Exactly!
     
  14. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Why is this thread even in the Classic forum?
     
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  15. Rainer

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    I wouldn't class Fury as slow of either hand or foot,and I don't care for him myself.
     
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