Top 10 Heavyweights of the 1890s

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If he truly was Polish, then the "real" spelling is probably ChojiƄski or something like that. I'm also Polish so it seems legit.
     
  2. Rainer

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    No, Mitchell has no wins over Slavin.They fought four times each was a No Decision bout three were 3 rounders ,the other a 4 rounder.Mitchell does not belong on any1890's list as a top fighter .He has a total of10 fights for that decade.
    7 No Decisions
    1 Draw
    1 Ko Loss
    1 Win over a 59 years old Jem Mace.
    1896-05-25 Steve O'Donnell
    15 3 8
    15 3 8








    Putney
    N
    ND
    3/3
    3/3






    1894-01-25 165 James J. Corbett
    9 0 2
    184 9 0 2








    Duvall Athletic Club, Jacksonville
    L
    KO
    3/?
    3/?






    referee: John Honest Kelly
    World Heavyweight Title
    5-oz. gloves; winner's share $20,000.
    1893-10-04 Jim Hall
    48 11 11
    48 11 11








    People"s Theatre, Chicago
    N
    ND
    3/3
    3/3






    1893-09-29 Jim Hall
    48 11 11
    48 11 11








    Clermont Avenue Rink, Brooklyn
    N
    ND
    3/3
    3/3






    1892-03-07 Frank Slavin
    34 2 5
    34 2 5








    Buffalo A.C., Buffalo
    N
    ND
    3/3
    3/3






    1892-03-02 Arthur Upham
    5 3 2
    5 3 2








    Olympic Club, New Orleans
    W
    PTS
    4/4
    4/4






    1892-03-02 Frank Slavin
    34 2 5
    34 2 5








    Olympic Club, New Orleans
    N
    ND
    4/4
    4/4






    1891-04-30 Frank Slavin
    32 2 5
    32 2 5








    New York
    N
    ND
    3/3
    3/3






    1891-04-09 Frank Slavin
    32 2 5
    32 2 5








    Liverpool
    N
    ND
    3/3
    3/3






    1890-02-07 Jem Mace
    1 0 0
    1 0 0








    Gaiety Theatre, Glasgow
    W
    PTS
    4/4
    4/4
     
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  3. Seamus

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    Are 3 and 4 round exhibitions now considered record worthy fights? Because, if so, Sullivan beat Corbett.

    Again, you make no sense with your second statement. Are you referring to Choynski or Slavin as Polish? Do you have access to a more complete record which you would like to share?
     
  4. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    Yes you're right ,he was.
     
  5. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Mace was 58 to Mitchell's 28
     
  6. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    No, Mace as I said was FIFTY NINE YEARS OLD.
    No Mace was 59years old and had not fought for 7 years! Mitchell was not competitive with Corbett at all he was swept of his feet and overwhelmed.
    I've noticed a trend with you when you are pulled up on a statement and its proven to be incorrect you ignore the evidence that shows you are wrong and often get personal. eg You've ignored my correction that Michell only met Slavin 4 times and never beat him as they were No Decision fights.You've ignored the fact that Mitchell has just one victory in the decade 1890 to 1899 and that over a man nearing 60 who had not fought for 7 years! Why not just say," oh right I got that wrong ?"
    We will all get things wrong from time to time.I did on this very thread proposing George Godfrey as a possible candidate,until Bit Player Vesti corrected me,which I acknowledged.You don't ,you get stroppy and defensive ,its really odd behaviour from an adult.I may be doing you an injustice,you could be having a bad couple of weeks.I hope I'm wrong with my first impressions of you.
    ps There was zero demand for a second Corbett v Mitchell fight and if you had read the fight reports you wouldn't have suggested there was.
     
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  7. 70sFan865

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    Yeah, Mace was definitely a master of boxing, but even someone like Fitz, Moore, Foreman or Hopkins didn't fight at almost 60 years against world class opponents. I wouldn't use it as an example of good win at all.
     
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    OK, so you're a troll. Great. Just what this place needs.

    Mace, 30 years Mitchell's senoir, was "at the same stage"... That's where you push over the line a bit much.

    Jackson was regarded by some as better than Sullivan, by even more as better than Corbett.... but he wasn't a good as Mitchell? OK.
     
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  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Mace started in the 1840s.
     
  10. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Why?
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Is English your 5th language or are just stone cold simple?
     
  12. Rainer

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    Do you really not know that the Slavin v Mitchell [2 l's] bouts were
    NO DECISION AS IN NO DECISION WAS RENDERED THEY WERE NOT NWS ?

    1892-03-02 Charlie Mitchell v Frank Slavin
    Olympic Club, New Orleans ND 4/4


    1892-03-07 Charlie Mitchell v Frank Slavin
    Buffalo A.C., Buffalo ND 3/3

    1891-04-30 Charlie Mitchell v Frank Slavin
    New York ND 3/3

    1891-04-09 Charlie Mitchell v Frank Slavin
    Liverpool ND 3/3
    I'm beginning to think you are mentally deficient!
     
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  13. Mendoza

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    lil' Mitchel floored Sullivan and went many rounds with him in a different fight. He was something of a pound of pound talent.

    Back then the name talents fought each other. We don;t see that very often today.

    He fought 10 times that we know of in the 1890's, mostly name guys. I'm not saying he's top 5 for the decade, but you could argue top 15.
     
  14. Rainer

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    Mitchell was born on the 24th of November 1861. He fought Mace on the 7th of February 1890, which makes him 28 at the time!30 years younger than Mace!
     
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  15. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    I don't care what somebody claimed he fought Slavin 4 times and each one was a NO DECISION BOUT!