Whyte vs Rivas

He took a gamble in not fighting AJ, and it backfired...anything could have happened in the landscape since then, as it stands...it is not in Whyte's favour.

That is a serious problem with the industry in that people "jump qeues" if there was less of that, everyone would fight in a timely manner... not sitting around for each other.. and there would be less ducking.

But then what is the excuses for rematching Ortiz? If Fury is a draw... what is the excuse for team wilder mentioning Kownacki as a planned opponent and not Whyte?

Why isn't Whyte a draw in USA as much as Fury??? Prior to Wilder/Fury first bout?

Why isn't 12 million dollars enough to make a fight happen? For Wilder... what has Fury brought that is more? Or Ortiz?

You genuinely don't think the actions of Team Wilder and WBC are questionable? In how they've handled giving Whyte a shot??? Does it not carry any weight being #1 contender for 600 days? It doesnt make you mando... but it puts you at the top of the CV file...

When they offered Whyte a mando against Ortiz.. it was a SECOND mando... not primary...

Then they offer Fury to Whyte as a mando, and Whyte agreed... and then Fury backtracked and also wanted a different deal....

I just want people to admit Wilder is ducking Whyte, and WBC are biased against Whyte.

 

Perhaps you did, nevertheless those offers were made, I have no reason to doubt they weren't. Whyte doesn't strike me as the type to duck someone like Pulev or Ortiz... he doesn't shy away from a fight.

He took the Chisora rematch for money, but again the fans called for it, and Whyte stated his terms because Chisora was desperate for it... so much so he gave 20 per cent cut to Haye to train him.

Pulev/Ortiz situations were not favourable in the least, and yes money does make a big difference, just ask the top three.

But whyte has done MORE than enough to earn a legit and fair title shot at the WBC champ. And he has been messed around.
It irks me that forum posters do not acknowledge that. Kownacki next?? Why.

 

I agree, Whyte has been shafted by the WBC. Wilder could have been given a pass if he rematched Fury straight away but as it stands hes rematching Ortiz and its a joke.

I still can't see any reason why Whyte didn't accept the Joshua fight though.

 

Wilder isnt ducking Whyte at all. His team just don't want anything to do with Eddie Hearn. They asked for a guarantee if they fight Whyte then AJ is next and that got refused. Unfortunately Whyte has been caught in the middle of promoter wars. I have no doubt at all had Whyte gone to an american promoter then the fight would have been made but the truth is he wont get paid the same and he is all about the money.

 

In all fairness Whyte is less bothered about it than Aydamn is.

 

3 reasons:

1) AJ didn't want the Whyte fight so the offer was low ball/ shite rematch terms to ensure he didn't take it.
2) Not enough time for full training camp. Whyte clearly needs this as he seems to put on quite a bit of weight in between fights.
3) Not enough time for full drug testing schedule. Deal breaker for Whyte for fighting AJ.

Being world champion isn't the most important thing for these fighters. Making the most amount of Money is. But of course they need to be seen as wanting to be World champ/ undisputed etc

 

LOOL fair play..

Excellent comment.

 

Wilder was rated as #2 by everyone except a few who had him as #1.
You can't argue that Wilder was a cherry pick for Fury, surely.
You're cluctching at straws.

I don't care about justifying anything. I'm not trying sell the fight or justify it as the right fight.
BUT
Ortiz is a tough fight for Wilder, potentially. That's all.
You can't really say it's a soft touch fight, seeing as Ortiz gave Wilder absolute hell just last year. Sure, Ortiz might do less well this time but I'm sure Wilder will be seeing him as a legitimate threat.

You defended Whyte's chance and viability to rematch Joshua (despite him being taken out in 7 rounds when they fought before) - which Whyte turned down (talk about "avoiding the big fights", eh ?) ... surely Wilder-Ortiz 2 isn't a hell of a lot differnet to that in terms of how well they'd be expected to do ?
Ortiz is ranked in the top 6 or 7 by almost everyone and is clearly better than the bum challengers Wilder has faced in most previous fights , so it's not a particularly "sickening" fight.

 

You claim I am grasping at straws, when you've done nothing but that... to the extent that it's almost as if you have an agenda? There is nothing objective about your post.

If showed some objectivity you'd realise Ortiz fought Wilder last year, and lost unequivocally. He was downed 3 times, and Wilder was stunned but didnt go down ONCE. Now rematch one year later? Ortiz was already an old man, and had evolved as much as he could ever evolve.

IN CONTRAST, Whyte fought AJ four bloody years ago, when he was a novice, remember the guy's been learning ALOT on the job, and is cited as one of the best improved heavyweights in the current lineup. In that four years... tell me how much has changed with Whyte...go on... be objective....

You are another protection squad sympathizer, as Wilder fought Stiverne twice too... nobody asked for that... did he not beat stivern convincingly enough the first time??? The entire public asked for the Chisora rematch with Whyte... no one was dropping their pants for a stiverne wilder ll

"Ortiz is a tough fight for Wilder, thats' all" There isn't enough base in your voice to believe that. How many rounds would Ortiz get in a rematch... he'd get KO'd even quicker. He's 60 years old, again... try being objective.

Whyte is 30 years young, prime, fit, a real challenge.

Whyte is now facing #6 Rivas... which ain't even for a mando... can you believe that ****... Ortiz gets a straight shot, Fury straight shot, Kownacki straight shot... and here we have #1 vs #6 for NO SHOT.

You claim I'm in bed with Whyte, you're all in bed with Finkel and protection squad.

It's as CLEAR AS DAY, there is ducking going on. 600 days at #1 he should be TOP OF THE PILE

"Wilder will be seeing him as a legitimate threat" - Wilder does not take legitimate threats, Whyte is a legitimate threat... Fury is a featherfisted survivor... Ortiz is older than Hilary Clinton....Stivern was lazy ass 270lber who is slower than breazeale... who is the slowest in the division. That doesn't even make sense, kinda like the WBC.

 

See this is just it
Whyte has been **** on esp by the WBC
However he has had the chance to take certain fights to either better position himself or fight for belts

No matter how badly he has been treated by certain organisations he has had the option to take other paths and declined them

 

He took a few gambles:

1. He declined the AJ fight because of the **** rematch clause (should be reverse split, Chisora got this deal)... and he banked on his WBO mando
2. He declined Ortiz on a second mando position, because Ortiz wanted Whyte to fight on a shitty undercard, all for what... a second mando??? Woopdy effing do.
3. He accepted the Breazeale for Diamon belt, then it got cancelled
4. He accepted the Fury fight for mando, but it got cancelled.
5. He was banking all this time on getting the WBC, to go back to AJ with more bargaining power, he put most of his chips into this idea.. and WBC made him wait for well over 600 days.

 

If someone as bad as this gets a title shot after Rivas, then we all might as well give it a go

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Let's start with you.

 

And like i say he was a fool to think the WBC would do good by him
I unterstand his route but it was maybe a bit naive

 

May as well if that can get to No.1 in the WBC rankings lol