How much of Mike Tyson's success was due to his genes and how much to his training?

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  1. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It's a little more complicated than that, and when you oversimplify the issue that much I'm afraid you play right into the hands of racists. You're right that the folk concept of race is largely incoherent (not even precise enough to be wrong, just incoherent) and is of very little if any use to scientists, but it's definitely not the case that "all brains have the same capability" on an individual level. There's huge individual variation.

    Anyway, we probably shouldn't spend a lot of time on a topic that has so little to do with the purpose of this forum.
     
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  2. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes IQ is genetic inherited...it is a measure of intellectual capacity and ability education is not....his speed, strength and power are genetic part using it to its max potential is training
     
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  3. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was clearly a combination of both. There is nothing complicated about that.
     
  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I' d be more interested hearing how much of Mike Tyson's success was due to drugs. Especially the steroids he admitted to.

    No small part I imagine.
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No all brains are the same IQ is bull****.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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  8. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I think they really complimented each other. He not only was extremely talented, but had a lot of the right talent for his style.
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Do you think steroids helped with his agility and method with a skipping rope? Steroids don`t make you nimble:
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  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Give Cus a slower, less powerful heavyweight and Cus-less post-prison Tyson probably knocks him out inside of two rounds.

    PS - The absence of Cus's training obviously wasn't the only reason why post-prison Tyson was worse than prime Tyson.
     
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  11. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Super cool video, thank you!
     
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  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He wasn`t doing the same things, his head movement stopped his combos weren`t there.
     
  13. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tyson definitely had a lot natural ingredients that made him a great heavyweight, it wasn't just the physical stuff either, he had the viciousness and tenacity needed to be a KO artist, the killer instinct. But that needed to be harnessed by a trainer, ideally a great one which is what he got. It was one of those chance meetings, a naturally gifted kid willing to learn from a great old trainer that had the enthusiasm/desperation to build a masterpiece before his time was up.

    I think that's what made him the fighter he was anyway, the fact he had all those gifts and a great boxing mind tied it all together with an effective training style. Without that, he wouldn't have been much with just his natural gifts alone. Tyson was quoted as saying Cus channeled his anger into boxing, so its easy to forget the psychological job that was done on him, and was not really complete.

    I agree with others its both, you cant just have one or the other to create the impact Tyson made. He needed the physical gifts and the mental aptitude to be an aggressive ruthless fighter, and an effective trainer to discipline and bring out these qualities. Some random guy off the street wouldn't get the same results regardless of the trainer.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    You`re not born vicious,tenacious or born with killer instinct, he picked that up through a rough childhood and being bullied, you develop as a person as you get older from childhood to adulthood, tose were his formative years and Cus was around during these certain years in Tyson life from the age of 12.
     
  15. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are proof it seems....
     
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