Worst style match up for Prime Muhammad Ali of everyone?

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lol no! Joe Frazier could never stop James Toney. Toney would do absolutely fine against a swarmer like Frazier. Swarmers are absolutely tailor made for Toney. See what happened when volume punching swarmer in Vasily Jirov faced James Toney. Or when Iran Barkley faced James Toney.

    It's Frazier's swarming tactics that are going to be ineffective against a back-foot counter-punching master like James Toney.
     
  2. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He also moves his head, WHILST holding a high guard > moving your head wildly and carelessly WHILST having your hands down.

    Not sure what's wrong with having your hands up. Having 2 layers of defense is clearly superior to a single layer of defense.

    Getting touched up? Should I point out the number of times Ali has been touched up by less than stellar opposition? Gimme a break!

    Admit it, you were wrong when you stated Usyk doesn't move his head!
     
  3. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And no high-volume swarmer beats James Toney at his best
     
  4. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well yes, clearly, since a total bum named Jimmy Young (a poor man's Usyk in absolutely EVERY department) not only lasted 3 rounds, but lasted the full distance whilst dropping, schooling and beating Foreman.

    Keep in mind that this Jimmy Young bum has 19 losses out of his record.

    What do you think then Usyk would do to an absolute farce like Foreman if Young is nearly killing Foreman? Mismatch?
     
  5. Ben Dover

    Ben Dover New Member Full Member

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    The man with no style, ali said it himself.
     
  6. Up the gut

    Up the gut Active Member banned Full Member

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    If he gives Ali a beating I think its fair to say he catches up to Toney too. The best pressure fighter at Heavy ever arguably, beats James Toney !
     
  7. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can not believe some of the Stupid Posts on here....I think we are in a new Era where not only Boxing has become a bit of a joke with Credibility issues it looks like some of the so called Fan's have also.!!!
     
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  8. Up the gut

    Up the gut Active Member banned Full Member

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    Toney v Prime Frazier, who you got ???
     
  9. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tony I recognise more as one of the Great Middleweights You want me to compare him to one of the Great Heavyweights ? I am old School I will never do it.!!!!
     
  10. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Frazier would annihilate fat heavyweight James Toney. The placement of Vassilly Jirov and Frazier in the same sentence is some master trolling on the part of senor Luis Fernando.
     
  11. First Round KO

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  12. Oneirokritis

    Oneirokritis The Scourge of Stupid Idiots. Full Member

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    Him, and prime Ken Norton.

    Eddie Futch, who trained both, is the common denominator here: Ali always seemed to have a hard time with Futch-trained fighters.
     
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  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Lewis got hit with far more jabs than a prime Ali did.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Yes, Futch stated that he trained Frazier to bob his head erratically so Ali couldn`t time him consistently with the jab and he told Norton to jab with Ali to disrupt him and stop him setting up his punches with the jab.
     
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  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ali would have boxed Mercer`s ears off.