Don't know if you can classify Tyson as a high volume swarmer but if so he would have totally obliterated Toney if both were at their best.
I know the outcome, he cant hold Joe off forever, Frazier doesn't tire, he's just warming up at 3/4 rounds then whether hes hitting Toney flush or just catching arms its gonna catch up with Toney and its not gonna be nice. Ali was fleet footed and could move and he still got to him, Toney is ****ed with no legs, waist movement, shoulder roll etc wont save him, but my original argument was " Toney is more skilled", they all were until they got in with prime Joe
Bowe looked sloppy against Hide and couldn`t cut the ring off it would be much harder against Ali, Hide was much quicker than Bowe and Ali would be too, but had a much better chin than Hide did.
He couldn`t set his shots up well enough, he never faced an active guard like Ali`s, constant movement would baffle Ray.
Tyson was a much better body puncher when he had Rooney in his corner and Ritchie G. told Tyson to jab to Holy`s chest in their rematch but Tyson was too nervous to act out this instruction, Rooney stated that Tyson could only operate well when he was relaxed.
Ali moved while jabbing but Lewis stayed on the line and could be countered with jabs, Bruno and Mercer caught him with loads of jabs.
Tyson had low-work-rate. Even so, Tyson would still lose to James Toney, the same way he lost to Evander Holyfield. Toney has a chin made of absolute granite and is one of the slickest inside fighters ever, if not the absolute slickest. People also thought Tyson would obliterate Holyfield and look how that turned out. Any fighter that can take Tyson's shots and answer back skillfully, Tyson used to crumble and wilt. Toney would take Tyson's best and then answer back with his own that Tyson would not have the heart to take. Tyson was the definition of someone who could dish it all out but could not take it, when the heat was reversed to him.
Lol. Frazier was barely even a cruiser-weight, much less a heavyweight by today's standards. Chisora, Ruiz and Povetkin are all better and bigger pressure fighters than Frazier ever was. And no, Ali and Toney aren't the same fighters with the same strengths. Ali wasn't an inside fighting specialist like James Toney was who could stand, defend and counter on the inside. In fact, there is hardly a better inside fighting counter-puncher than James Toney in the history of the sport of boxing. Toney would stand there and basically neutralize each and every punch Frazier threw at him, like he did against Iran Barkley and Vassily Jirov, and then counter Frazier's eye off. Toney is stylistically all wrong for Frazier!
Is comparing these two videos a joke, in Ali I see a fighter with incredible reflexes with his hands down at his waist comfortable in his speed and head movement of making the other man miss, and does a large percentage of the time. Also Ali has infinitely smoother and faster leg speed getting him out of trouble. In usyk I see a man with a high mitt guard getting hit far more often all be it on his hands a lot of the time , moving on slower stiffer legs and looking far clunkier and clumsier, he also looks like he is working far harder to do what Ali does, and not totally succeeding.also Ali is near on a stone heavier, in most of the bouts, if anything usyk is a lighter, stiffer regressed backwards wannabe copy, who I think is good by the way, and will give these heavies trouble, but him an Ali is like comparing two different animals lol.
