Teddy Atlas says Tyson isn’t close to being an All Time Great [2017]

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  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dunno how you can have so much disdain for a man who you owe your career to.

    Atlas is only relevant in the world because of Mike.

    No Tyson, and Teddy woulda been some obscure trainer.
     
  2. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    How many alts do you have? You've now been knighted as Tyson-Hater-1. Keep my name out of your mouth unless you want a foot up your azz.
     
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  3. Saintpat

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    Well if Teddy said this in 2017, the one thing that’s for sure is Tyson hasn’t gotten any better since then.
     
  4. Flash24

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    As someone posted earlier Tyson's lack of real toughness or ability too work through serious adversity drops him back from GOAT status quite a bit. He was the ultimate frontrunner. But too deny his accomplishments from 86' through 1989 as not being worthy of ATG status sounds like pure BS to me. Atlas motives are probably not sincere TBH.
     
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  5. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    You know it's funny how people forget that Ruddock was ranked #2 behind Tyson in all three governing bodies as well as The Ring, KO, World Boxing, Boxing 91 and every other boxing mag at the time. Nobody wanted a piece of him after nearly killing Michael Dokes in 4 rounds. The same Dokes who gave Holyfield one helluva battle a year earlier.

    We can all hear Don King yelling "We don't want Holyfield!" during the post fight interview in the ring concluding the Ruddock rematch. Tyson then gives this look of disdain as if to say STFU. And Tyson was only to receive $15 mill as a challenger compared to Holyfield receiving $25-$30 mill as champ. That's how bad Tyson wanted his titles back.

    Regarding Holmes at 38 years old against Tyson - he was better than the older version who took the Foreman route to secure a title shot. And that 4 years older post retirement Holmes was also fatter and more lethargic.
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    This is Bull****.
    Larry Holmes wasn't even considered for Holyfield until after he beat Ray Mercer in February 1992, the same month Tyson was found guilty of **** and 3 months after Holyfield-Tyson was supposed to happen for Holyfield's titles.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    If that's your take then on that situation, then would you also agree that Tyson ducked Holyfield to take on Buster Douglas ?
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    He's probably bitter about the fact that he was fired or whatever.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Anyway, unless your standards are ridiculously high where only a couple of heavyweights would qualify as "ATGs", then Mike Tyson was definitely an ATG.
    Teddy Atlas is talking out of his ass. That's all there is to it.
     
  11. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Look out now. You got him. I believe the point Ironchamp was trying to make was that Holyfield took a couple of softie defenses, make that 3 if you include Bert Cooper, before he decided to defend his belt against a worthy challenger in Bowe, who was looked upon as a soft touch because of their sparring sessions compared to Razor Ruddock.
     
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  12. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I think this is rather obvious. What I really want to know is if Teddy tried to lure Mike away from Cus. That's the real question. It's even realer than real roided deal Holyfield...
     
  13. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    [QUOTE="Sangria, post: 19930571, member: 63377"

    Regarding Holmes at 38 years old against Tyson - he was better than the older version who took the Foreman route to secure a title shot. And that 4 years older post retirement Holmes was also fatter and more lethargic.[/QUOTE]

    All respect, but how would we know he was better? He fought for maybe half a round in the Tyson fight. In fact, Larry never looked worse than against Mike, really. It was after a nearly two year layoff and two straight, though dubious, losses.

    I don't think anyone could judge just how good or bad a fighter Larry was at the time of the Tyson fight, there just wasn't enough input on his part during the fight. Do I think Mike era Larry was better than the Larry that beat Mercer...or even the one who fought Holyfield and McCall? Honestly? No.
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    I don't think that's a valid point, since he signed ("decided") to fight Mike Tyson for November 1991, he ended up fighting Bert Cooper after Tyson (and then Damiani) pulled out claiming injuries.

    Bowe was considered a threat. Holyfield was a slight favourite in the betting but would have actually been favourite against Ruddock too.

    Yes, I know you're trying to tell people who don't know that Ruddock had a fearsome reputation still at that time. True. And Holyfield was considered possibly vulnerable. True.
    But let's not get it twisted. Holyfield was ultimately rated as best in the world.

    None of this has anything much to do with Mike Tyson or Teddy Atlas's opinions though.
     
  15. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    I'm not sure the Foreman or Holmes fights were "softies", really. Holmes was winning the fight after six rounds and had hit Holy with some no-joke right hands. Foreman hit Holy so hard he honestly thought all his teeth got knocked out.

    Not real softies...I personally think both of those old guys would have done a lot better that year against Tyson than back in '88 (Foreman probably would have won).