On this day 98 years ago Dempsey fought Carpentier it was the first million dollar gate

The information I posted is completely in line with the history.

Leo Flynn concerned about Sharkey claiming foul.

Sharkeys 4 DQ wins in his first 32 bouts. Possibly a record for hwt champions over their first 32 bouts.

Sharkey was known to wear his trunks high which made claims for low blows easier.

Sharkey was a well known complainer hence his moniker which in part was due to his expected and constant complaints.

 

Film shows Sharkeys shorts to be no higher than Dempsey's , and in the last few slow mo punches Sharkey's navel is exposed indicating his shorts were in the correct position.
Point us towards which fights of Sharkey show his trunks to be high?
Lets try and be truthful here 99% of todays fighters have their shorts above the required belt line,with referees prior to hostities saying "punches here are good",so this is a non issue to try and absolve Dempsey from punches that, may or may not ,[the film is not is not clear] have landed low.Your tedious, and blatantly obvious excuses are exposed here for all to see ,as is the agenda behind them.

 

No excuses. History. Sharkey was known to wear his trunks high. If you read the reports of the fight this was a point made by the referee. Suggest you discuss a topic you have some knowledge of. I am growing tired of educating you.

 

You never have the balls to answer the challenges do you!
I repeat which fights on film indicate Sharkey habitually wore his trunks high?
Show us on the fim where Sharkey's trunks are higher than Dempsey's?

BTW Jack Johnson had 6 DSQ wins ,was he in the habit of crying foul?LOL

You couldn't educate yourself you phoney ,and don't think this is ever going away!

 

Again you can only distort to compete.

My comment was that Sharkey had four wins by foul leading into his bout with Dempsey. Thus one reason why Dempseys people raised a concern about he doing so vs Dempsey. His four wins by foul in his first 32-33 bouts may be a record for a hwt champion.

The point is Dempsey’s handlers and the ref pointed out Sharkeys trunks being worn high at that time. No one today is in position to dispute this. If you read the record Sharkey was known to wear his trunks high. Do the work instead of speculating.

 

I itemized the dsq wins Sharkey had ,and pointed out that he only personally complained of foul blows in ONE fight.
He was fouled continually by Wills who was on the verge of being stopped and the referee of his own volition threw Wills out.The fouls were backhanders

.Sharkey was battering him and had no need to try and win by dsq .Wills fouled out to save himself for the imminent ko
See below.
"Haley disqualified Wills for illegal use of a backhand blow. "Wills was battered about the ring from the start." (AP) Wills suspended 20 days for the foul."


He was blatantly fouled by Gorman in the opening stanza and the referee slung Gorman out without any remonstrance from Sharkey's corner ,or protest from him .
Sharkey was well on top of Maloney early on Maloney made great recovery, according to Sharkey's corner,Maloney fouled Sharkey.
"Sharkey led on points for six rounds and gave Maloney a terrific beating, but Jim came back strong in the seventh and in the eighth he knocked Sharkey to the canvas five times, once for the count of nine. Sharkey's corner claimed a foul when Maloney put him down again in the 9th"
Sharkey's first dsq win below.
"Hance was floored four times, then went down twice without being hit and was disqualified" Was this Sharkey's fault?lol

I don't speculate, I deal in facts Sharkey complained of low blow /other fouls ONCE in his career the Dempsey fight ,his corner did so in the Maloney fight.
When Johnny Buckley Sharkey's manager began protesting the ko against Dempsey arguing for a dsq Sharkey told him to"shut up ,its all in the game".
And that's a direct quote!
Sorry Dempsey Fan Boy ,you lose again!
I do the work ,you do the bullshitting Apologist!

 

Sharkey was well known as a complainer, whiner leading into his bout with Dempsey.

The record is very clear regarding Dempsey’s corners fears leading into his bout with Dempsey. These manifested themselves in round seven.

The record is also very clear about Sharkey wearing his trunks high. This is mentioned by the ref, reporters (this bout as well as previous) as well as Dempsey’s corner.

Sharkey did not like punches to the body. Years later when Sharkey won the title there was talk of Dempsey coming out of retirement to fight for the championship. Dempsey’s comments were that he feels he could beat Sharkey as he was susceptible to body blows.

 

Sharkey only had TWO dsq wins via low blows.Fact.
Your attempt to suggest that he deliberately went into fights trying to get his opponents slung out for low blows is bald-faced character assassination of the worst kind.
Dempsey was noted for his body attack his then manager Leo P Flynn did what crafty handlers are supposed to do, they plant a seed in the referee's and the public's mind mind .Ray Arcel did it prior to the Duran v Leonard fight when he said to the referee," I hope you are going to let these guys fight inside?"
The problem here is you have taken Flynn's ,[hardly an objective witness],word as gospel when the facts do not support it!
Here are some that won fights on as many or more dsq's as Sharkey.
Bruno Arcari 6!
Nino Benvenuti 5
Jack Johnson 4
Jack Kid Berg 13!!!!
Mario D'Agata 4
Perico Fernandez 4
Tiger Flowers 5
Joe Gans 5
Frankie Genaro 4
Marvin Hart 5
Len Harvey 6
Frank Klaus 4
Pete Latzo 4
Jack Malone 5
Tod Morgan 6
Jack O 'Brien 6
Maxie Rosenbloom 5
Andre Routis 8
Joe Symonds 7
Marcel Thil 4
Randy Turpin 4
Kid Williams 4
Jack Wolfe 4
Your world wide superstar Georges Carpentier 4

Were they all crying wolf? All deliberately, and cynically trying to get their opponents slung out?

I repeat show us which fights Sharkey wore his shorts high?
NAME ONE!

 

Another factor that people overlook, is that Carpintier beat Levinsky a lot more convincingly than Greb did.

Greb had a newspaper decision over Levinsky, and while most people picked Greb, it is possible to find people who called it for Levinsky.

In hindsight we would have to make Greb a clear favorite over Carpintier, but at the time I suspect that many would have picked Carpintier.

 

Sorry this won't wash ,Greb and Levinsky fought 6 times and only one of their bouts was close,the 4th.
Greb started fast but Levinsky came back into it late .A point to remember is Greb had gone10 rounds with Leo Houck just 3 days earlier !
Regarding results against common opponents ,Carpentier beat Smith on a highly controversial foul.Greb stopped the Gunboat in1 round!
Greb beat Tunney and ran him close in a a couple of their other fights.
Tunney thrashed Carpentier who to his credit took an unmerciful hammering without quitting.

 

All of this is known to me, but you can see why Carpintier's result would look much more impressive.

If one fighter beats a common opponent over the distance, and another demolishes him, the latter is temporarily seen as the hotter prospect.

Carpintier beat Gunboat while he was still a top contender, and Greb beat him when he was a has been.

This was after the Dempsey Carpintier fight, so it would not have figured in the thinking of the day.

 

Again you are lost. I believe having four DQ wins is a record for a hwt champion after only 32-33 total bouts. What lower weight fighters had or did not have in terms of DQ wins is not germane to the conversation.

For the last time Sharkey was know for:

Complaining during fights
Wearing his trunks high.

He also had high number of DQ wins (going into his bout with Dempsey). Thus Dempsey’s corners concern.

Keep grasping at straws. Why make things up? Do the work lazy boy.

 

No,I cant see at all. Carpentier won a fight whilst on the floor ,on a hotly disputed dsq.
BTW there is a deal of speculation that Levinsky sold his title to the French man ,and he certainly wasnt in the condition he had been for the Greb fights!

 

This is also known to me.

The bottom line is that the results of both fights still stand!

 

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Maybe I’ll give Tonto a brush next month to help him clean out my toilet!