Who is better equipped to be able to beat every middleweight in history head to head GGG or Canelo?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    That wouldn`t have been the tale of a fight between those two in their respective primes though.
     
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    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    He was never fast. Kell Brooks speed raised the hairs on his head and made him look like a stiff slow ogre.

    Any elite fast counter puncher would always make GGG look stupid. Those wound up bolo punches only go unpunished against a certain level.
    There' s a reason why he never threw them against Canelo and it had nothing to do with being past prime
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    ;)
     
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    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All 3 smash GGG too....
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Great fight but they were both getting caught more than Canelo would have by either of these fighters.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Floyd was far harder to hit than Toney, he got hit with far fewer punches during his career and Canelo hit Floyd more than Toney hit Roy in their damp clash.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hopkins was amazing but I don`t think he`d dominate these two because he didn`t have a high workrate in his fights, he was a chess player, Hearns didn`t achieve that much at middle other than his epic with Hagler which he lost and Hagler beat Ray as far as I`m concerned we never saw a peak Ray at middle, he showed a bit of age v Hagler. Jones boxed Toney`s ears off because he couldn`t cut the ring off on Jones.
     
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    If you think the Canelo Floyd faced is the same Canelo GGG faced you’re dumb. Not to forget GGG beat Canelo comfortably in the first fight just like Floyd did to a less experienced Canelo that was not in his physical prime.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hearns v GGG would have been as good as 'the war'!
     
  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo has improved since he fought Floyd but GGG did not beat Canelo let alone comfortably in the first fight. GGG was lucky to get a draw in that first fight, Canelo won that about 8 rounds to 4 but two judges credited GGG for his work rate and gave him a couple of close rounds to make it a draw. The similarities were that Canelo fought well early on vs both Floyd and GGG, but in the middle rounds Floyd and GGG had their best moments. (Round 7 was the best round for both Floyd vs Canelo and GGG vs Canelo in their first fight)

    The difference is that Floyd was ready to fight Canelo from the opening bell while it took GGG until round 5 to really get into the fight. GGG gave away those early rounds while Floyd contested every early round. This I think had to do with Canelo using his footwork more than expected, it took a while for GGG to adjust. Canelo used his footwork more vs GGG than he did with Floyd, knowing that GGG was a bigger puncher, which was a smart strategy. Floyd Canelo was a more of a toe-to-toe chess match with both men trying to counter each other whereas Canelo GGG 1 was just an outboxing clinic by Canelo with GGG throwing a lot of punches and trying to cut off the ring.
     
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    Watch some of his amateur fights especially the one punch KO of Lucian Bute and tell me that wasn't fast. Now compare that speed to an old GGG.

    Also according to a journalist who watched 28 year old Golovkin spar against Canelo, Canelo was hurt multiple times with body shots and head shots. There's a reason why Canelo delayed fighting Golovkin as long as possible.
     
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    You’re going over the top saying it took GGG 5 rounds to get going. After the first 3 rounds he stacked the rounds up and should have won. If his name was Mayweather that would have been a clear decision win for him that night. Canelo did his best work in spots which wasn’t enough.
     
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    Golovkin would be well-equipped like Paul Finch.
     
  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well you're going over the top saying GGG beat Canelo comfortably. That's absurd. GGG lost the first 3 rounds, the 4th was closer but GGG didn't do enough to win that either imho. Canelo was cruising in round 5 until GGG hit him with that shot when he was on the ropes. Until that punch it was clear Canelo was winning and winning pretty easily. Round 6 was also close many have given that round to Canelo. 7-9 were good GGG rounds but then in 10-12 Canelo stepped it up and most have him winning those last 3 rounds.

    Canelo only had his best work in "spots" during rounds like 7-9. He was controlling most of the other rounds start to finish. GGG couldn't deal with his movement. And while Canelo wasn't engaging at times, GGG couldn't catch him. And when GGG did get close enough to land, Canelo was slipping punches and coming back with counters.
     
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    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    seen his amateur bouts. He was fast but reckless and without any defense. Watch his messy performance against Gaydarbek Gaydarbekov.

    You can't fight pro like you fight in the amateurs anyway. He adjusted his style to the pros and throwing with better form meant a reduction in speed.

    When Canelo sparred Golovkin he was a little boy who wasn't far off a 147 pounder. There's nothing to take away from that apart from GG being brave enough to throw body shots against little Canlo but not against grown up Canelo. :smile:
     
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