Zurdo wants Gvozdyk or Beterbiev next.

**** I typed out some **** but it didn't quote you for some reason so I deleted it thinking I had it copy pasted but I'll write it again.

Yes, he was 40-41 years old. Exactly my point. The objective reality to the matter is, dude was old as ****, and shot. He showed signs of decline during the first Fonfara fight, and didn't really fight a Bellew/Dawson type opposition until then. By the way Dawson was drained at 168, but who says he was done at 175? Oh, because it fits the narrative you want to portray, it means he's "objectively" shot lmao. Funny also how you managed to discredit 2 fighters you OBVIOUSLY don't like.

Not a top win at all. Unless we're going to count Inoue beating Donaire as a top win or Spence beating Pac as a top win lmao. Do you actually think because Stevenson was the lineal champ that at that age and his performance against Jack that he's better than this Pac?

Also you said it yourself, Bellew and jack are closer to the same. One guy absolutely obliterated and couldn't handle the power. Hell Bellew did better against Usyk than he did against Stevenson. The other could take Stevenson's power, and this isn't a guy known for an iron chin lmao.

 

That was never said. I said Bellew and Jack are about the same quality of opponent. I think Dawson's best days were LONG behind him due the Ward mauling and draining which clearly took a toll on him. Stevenson boxed competitively against top rated fights in his last two fights. Can't say the same about Dawson against Ward and Stevenson. So if the first Fonfara fight was where the decline was seen.... 1 year after winning the belt? What evidence do you have that it got any worse from there? Stevenson maintained the same level of competition from there on out before finally stepping up in the tail end of his career. Sorry. But I'm giving the Ukrainian credit for beating a major belt holder and lineal champion who ducked good opposition for most of his run. Also... You should refer to @Serge last post which is very good and compares Wlad's miles at the same age vs. Stevenson's along with some other interesting facts.[/QUOTE]


I love Serge, but do you actually believe he's objective in this discussion? Let's keep this debate between myself and you. If someone who obviously had a bias against EE fighter came to this thread and started posting ****, I wouldn't start saying "refer to this person". I also don't want to go into a back forth with more than one person, that's reasonable right?

Sure, Gvozdyk deserves some credit for beating Stevenson, but it's not a top-notch win. Just like Inoue deserves credit if he beats Nonito(equal credit to Gvozdyk), and Spence/Crawford would deserve credit for beating Pac(far more credit than Gvozdyk). You keep mentioning lineal champ and titles, yet bring up the fact that he ducked opponents. So if you think he ducked opponents and cherry-picked opposition how is that relevant?

As for the mileage question. Sure Wlad had more mileage, but also took up boxing at a much younger age and had a style that aged far better. Hugging his opponents to death and fighting off the jab. Stevenson's style does not age well. We saw what happened to Yamanaka who has a similar style.

 

Anyways, my whole point of this is consistency. That's why my response was more hostile. I think we both got off our points on why Stevenson is shot and I stayed on topic, so I think it's okay for me to address this. Were Wlad and Stevenson completely shot when they fought Joshua and Gvozdyk? Nope. But they were CLEARLY a shell of their prime days. I used the Bellew/Jack example where you agreed with me to back my point up, I'd say Dawson too but you disagree so I can't use that point against you.

Now I don't know if you discredited Joshua for beating Wlad, but I saw a ton of posters doing exactly like that when these wins are pretty identical. Huge asterisks over them. Now if Wilder beat Wlad, would I have credited him far more than Joshua to **** with people? Yes, but what annoys me is I don't think you're deliberately trying to annoy me by being inconsistent. If you were doing it in an obvious troll way then I wouldn't be annoyed, but the fact that you genuinely believe that Gvozdyk's win over Stevenson was top notch(and I'm putting words in your mouth), but it also seems like you think Stevenson was close to his best.

 

Just pointing out that he listed some interesting facts and made comparisons that I neglected to mention.

Not going to go in circles with you man. Been there done that. What's been said here has to be said. But wasn't it you who attempted to discredit Gvozdyk as a fighter for how he performed against Stevenson and claiming he had a questionable chin? I don't know why you keep bringing up Pac and how a fight with Spence and Crawford would be viewed - We're talking about a completely different fighter in Adonis Stevenson(a long reigning belt holder who only had 1 loss earlier in his career before his title reign even begun) Let's give the Ukranian fighter for beating a world champion and top rated fighter who hadn't lost in the better part of a decade. He deserves it![/QUOTE]
Then don't respond lmao. We're both going in circles, don't act like this is a one way street. Uh, how did I discredit Gvozdyk as a fighter? I called him a p4p talent, but said he had a questionable chin. I swear you EE fans get too hysterical and defensive. Also on another thread I put Gvozdyk in the top 10 p4p, who else has him in there? I bring up Pac to test your consistency. Like I said, if this is a serious debate, consistency is something we need to test. You are free to test my consistency as well, which is why I said, if I have a post crediting a fighter I like for beating a 40+ year old, like you are crediting Gvozdyk, I will back track and admit I am being a hypocrite.

Also, you're just incredibly inconsistent all around. Your logic is Stevenson was a cherry picker and you alluded to him fighting abysmal opposition leading up to Jack/Gvozdyk. So by your logic, you want to give "the Ukranian" credit, even though these are your opinions? Hmm.

 

@UnleashtheFURY

Like I said, you ee fans need to chill out. Not everything is discrediting. Saying that Gvozdyk's chin is suspect is an honest analysis by me. If I was saying something like Usyk's chin is suspect, I would 100% agree that it would either be me trolling or trying to discredit him, since it's just not true. I didn't make that thread in attempt to "discredit" Gvozdyk, like you and others probably believe. I just found it interesting Zurdo was fighting these 2 and the only chance I saw him winning was by knockout, since I rate Gvozdyk levels above him skillwise, his chin is suspect though, so I wouldn't be shocked at all if he won by knockout, though I would say it's unlikely. Just wouldn't be shocking.

 

Holy **** lmao, you just said lets not go around circles then asked me the same question I responded to 3 times and repeated the same **** you've said over and over again. Do you really want the last word that badly? Or are you trolling? Do you want the same answer I gave you again? I'll copy paste it, let me know.

 

Hey! Let's leave the accusation of agenda's and insults out of this! Let's all try to stay on topic and discuss Gvozdyk/Stevenson and the circumstances around it! Your other comments were responded to in my prior post.[/QUOTE]
I literally responded to every boxing related question you responded to. You're telling me to "stay on topic" but I didn't dodge any questions, at this point you're repeating the same ****, and I'm giving the same responses. I think it's fine bringing up what I said to defend myself against you accusing me of "discrediting Gvozdyk". Don't you agree?

 

Disagreed! Your responses are inadequate as well. I suggest re-reading post #40 and giving the final question which may or may not have been asking in slightly different forms several times in this thread a more well thought out answer.[/QUOTE]
I thought you didn't want to go in circles? Yet you're literally telling me to re-read something you probably pointed out 5 times, and something I responded to 5 times. Just copy paste exactly what you want me to read and I'll respond to it if it's something I haven't already.

Just post that ONE question concisely. Nothing else.