How would Tommy Loughran's career go in the current era?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It is entirely possible that this was just coincidence.

    He came along in an era and a division where most of the top fighters were white.

    I have never seen any evidence of him refusing to meet a black fighter, while I have with most of the other top white fighters of the period.

    Also, nobody ever drew the color line, when the black fighter held the cards!
     
  2. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Do you think it was just coincidence he never fought a black man? 126 fights!
     
  3. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    very true
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't know to be honest.

    What I do know, is that the color line has always historically, been a play by the man who held the cards.

    Nobody drew the color line against Joe Louis, when he held the title, and could guarantee a huge gate!
     
  5. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Impelletiere was a 7 &12 fight novice. Campolo likewise had only16 fights under his belt.
     
  6. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I grant that there were not tons of rated black fighters during Loughran's era,[probably due to lack of opportunity in obtaining meaningful fights,] but these are some that were ranked during Loughran's time as a rated contender.
    Tiger Jack Payne
    Cuban Bobby Brown
    Al Gainer
    Larry Johnson
    Larry Gains
    Leroy Haynes
    Jack Trammel
    Unknown Winston
    George Godfrey
    Joe Louis
    Of course there were plenty of fringe guys that he could reasonably have faced.
     
  7. janitor

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    Those are just the fights that Boxrec were able to uncover.

    The evidence suggest that they had a lot more.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    What evidence, exactly?
     
  9. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Well until you find them let's go with what we know,is that reasonable?
    What indicates they had more bouts?
     
  10. janitor

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    There was a hiatus of black fighters during Loughran's era, and a spike in white fighters.

    In the black dynamite era, you have depth of black fighters, in every weight class.

    When the depression hits, you have a surge of white fighters, and a fall off of black fighters, perhaps for financial reasons.

    To be fair, this was probably the deepest talent pool, in the sports history.

    In the late 30s, black fight fans start to wield serious money, and the Joe Louis effect kicks in.

    The bottom line is that I don't know whether Loughran avoided black fighters.

    Whatever the case, I doubt that he would have drawn the color line, if say Larry Gains was the champion, and he was the challenger!

    Fighters get a new set of principles in that sort of scenario!
     
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  11. janitor

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    Just the fact that records from the period are woefully incomplete, for all but the best known fighters.

    Unless you are looking at somebody like Max Baer, your default assumption should be that thee could be fights missing.

    The fact that Impelitierre was involved in a title eliminator, strongly suggests that he had unrecorded fights.

    It is basically more likely than not!
     
  12. Tonto62

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    Fair response!
     
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  13. janitor

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    The fact that is the case for practically every fighter who drew breath from that era!
     
  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    In the end, Loughran's skill and physical endowments translate to any era... if he stays in his lane. As a great writer once said, there's really nothing new under the sun in the sport. It's about hitting and not being hit. It always has been.

    I do believe he would do very well today as a supermiddle or lightheavy. I dare say he could even approach Maske level, and that is not a compliment I don't dole out often.
     
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  15. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    I'd favor him over Old Povetkin, Kownacki and Chisora

    I think Parker and Whyte are a bit above his pay grade. That's where I draw the line
     
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