Rank the best H2H swarmers: Armstrong, Harada, Duran, Pryor, Chang, Chavez, Fenech, Chocolatito

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  1. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Outside of the more heavier aggressive come forward fighters such as Dempsey, Tyson, Frazier, Marciano, Qawi, etc. I believe the fighters listed are one of the most skilled H2H swarmers. How would you rank all 8 fighters in terms of overall skills and abilities? I honestly think most of them are so close with each other H2H, but this is really just for fun. Feel free to add more fighters (WW or below). For me I would rank them like this:

    Roberto Duran (LW)
    Henry Armstrong
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Fighting Harada
    Jung Koo Chang
    Jeff Fenech
    Aaron Pryor
    Chocolatito
     
  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Harry Greb then Henry Armstrong
     
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  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    1. Greb (Greb fought at WW)
    2. Armstrong
    3. Duran
    4. Chavez
    5. Harada
    6. Chang
    7. Pryor
    8. Chocolatito
    9. Fenech
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No.1 Duran
    No.2 Armstong
    3.Chavez
    4.Pryor
    5. Harada
    Don`t care about the others and I haven`t seen any footage of Greb.
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Imo, loses to Benny Leonard and Pernell Whitaker, 50-50 with Armstrong
    Same as above at LW,
    At 147 I'd say he loses to
    Tommy Hearns
    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Ray Leonard
    Jose Napoles
    Mickey Walker

    And a fair few others
    SFW? No one springs to mind
    LW? Duran, Armstrong, Leonard, Whitaker
    JWW? Pryor, maybe Kosta
    WW? Lots.
    Don't know enough about to say
    Jose Napoles at 140, no one else comes to mind.


    Where's Mickey Walker? He seems like an ATG swarmer
    Stanley Ketchel? It says he claimed the WW title on Boxrec after a 32nd round KO of Joe Thomas. Note it also states the fight took place at 150 but Ketchel came in at 147 1/2lbs. I think it's a safe guess to say that he weighed in lighter than this
     
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  6. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As much as I like to speculate how good Greb was, the problem with adding him is that it's really hard to gauge his H2H abilities since there's no available footage of him in the ring.
     
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  7. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Probably armstrong first
     
  8. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At featherweight I don't see anyone beating Armstrong as close to being unbeatable at one of the major weight classes as it gets for me.
     
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    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1 Duran
    2 Armstrong
    3 Pryor
    4 Fenech
    5 Chavez ( But I see him more of a well schooled stalker, than a super busy fighter like the ones above)
    6 Harada
    7 Chocolito
    8 Chang
     
  10. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hate to break it to the old timers, but that caveman Greb couldnt carry Duran's spit bucket.
     
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  11. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What do you base that on?
     
  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Greb > Duran

    And it's quite clear as well
     
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  13. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I don't consider Duran a swarmed. Duran could fight anyway he wanted to so I wouldn't pidgeon toe him as a swarmer ..so that aside
    Armstrong
    Fenech
    Harada would be my top 3 from what's provided on this list.
    I wouldn't include Chocolatito either
     
  14. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd love to see Duran beating Tunney or Gibbons.
     
  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Or the other names in a very long list
     
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