Teddy Atlas says Tyson isn’t close to being an All Time Great [2017]

Best part was at the grounds final day- just as Sly was about to leave stage, he stops turns around and said
"one more thing.....YO' ADRi----IAN.....I DID IT!!"

Brought the house down with that one!

 

Liston losing early to Marshall undercuts that argument.

 

I think it's pretty reasonable to say that was before he hit his prime.

 

I think it's a harder sell to say he was past prime for Clay.

 

But to get to the subject, Atlas has an agenda against MIke and is pretty uninteresting to listen to when it comes to that subject. Personally, I don't know how to define ATG but Mike is probably in the 6-10 HW for me and there isn't a single fighter that I would comfortably favour over him. Holy has a good case, though...

 

The prime Holyfield has more problems with Tyson than older Holyfield who was stronger than Tyson, held his ground and used his experiance. Young Evander gets knocked out by Tyson.

 

All respect, but I just don't see that happening. Holyfield was like Ali against Foreman...he totally had Mike's number, and Mike couldn't beat him to save his life.

Once Evander had a couple of actual heavyweight fights under his belt he was the man imo, at least until Bowe. It wasn't until Holy and Bowe showed up that I even began imagining anyone else as champ besides Tyson. Upon the first H and B fight I considered both of them the best heavyweights in the world, and notably better than Tyson.

Young heavyweight Evander would have been right before the Tyson-Douglass fight (I could be wrong). Tyson would have gotten knocked out cold.

Mike was perfect for Evander who loooooved guys coming at him.

There are few fighters I'd pick against early 20s Tyson, but Holyfield and Bowe kayo him in 11 and 4, respectively.

 

Please, he wasn't close to prime.

 

Stronger=juiced

 

Could be. Maybe they both were.

 

Holyfield was very quick in his prime but still not elusive. He get gass throwing those flurries at natural heavyweight. Look at the trouble he had keeping Bert Cooper off him. Mills Lane basically held Atlanta up that night.

 

It sounds like you're talking about 190 lbs Holy, not the 210 lbs version of 1991. I think he was 216 (EDIT: actually 2015) against Mike, so there's a bit of a difference compared to 1991 but nothing huge.

Who knows, but my guess is that Holy just had Tyson's number.

And do you mean that 29-year old Holy with years of championship experience is the "young Evander"? For me, a young Evander is the one of the first fight with Qawi, certainly not the 1991 version.

 

Mills Lane did everything correct. Holyfield fell face first into the ropes and bounced up. Lane correctly ruled it a knockdown and gave Holyfield his mandatory count.
Cooper didn't quite have enough to force a stoppage.

 

You mean he started juicing when he went up from 210 to 215, not when he went up from 190 to 210?

 

215 was the pinnacle.