Manny Pacquiao or Thomas Hearns- Greater Fighter?

Tommy was not on the roids. Neither was Manny.

 

I strongly disagree about Manny - he was juiced. I’d be surprised to find out that Tommy wasn’t

 

It's not proven, no.

There's suspicion about it though. As there is with his great rival, JMM.

But suspicion is not proof.

 

Pacquiao is greater p4p. Rose up more weights and unlike Hearns he won virtually all of his legacy fights in his prime.

 

the guys Hearns fought were even more top notch than Manny fought if you look at their p4p ranking. Will Manny beating Thurman on Sat. help his legacy?

 

I'd rank Pacquiao higher.

 

P4P, it's Pacquiao.

 

Resume wise probably Pacman. H2H ... that's harder. Hearns at his best was ****ing scary.

 

Definitely Manny

 

As great as Manny was, I find myself voting this way, as well. if he beats Thurman this weekend, I would change my mind. (But, unfortunately, there ain't no way in hell Manny is beating Thurman at this advanced age. Way too many miles on Manny)

 

Interesting that the only weight class that they both fought in was at Welterweight but at totally opposite stages of their careers. Hearns started off at Welterweight when he was at his youngest age and at his lightest weight whereas Pacquiao will finish off his career at Welterweight when he will be at his oldest age and at his heaviest weight.

 

Hearns was the bonafide numero uno at 154 for mine. Tho only there for 2 years top shelf wins over Benitez and Duran punctuated his superiority there. He was absolutely head and shoulders above what was left.

 

2 great fighters and can see a case for either. Hearns is H2H nightmare for anyone. He beat Duran in the most convincing possible manner, arguably beat SRL in the rematch, was never beaten at 154, went from WW to cruiserweight, and also beat undefeated future HOF Virgil Hill. Pacquiao does seem to have a really deep resume with some ATG wins, and the weight jump helps as well.
For me I think Pacquiao rates higher, although Hearns would have beaten Pac in a H2H match up.

 

McCallum and Mugabi were regarded as the best of the rest contenders and were full-blown 154 fighters in their primes and undefeated, circa 1983-'85.
Hearns, for whatever reason, failed to fight them.

 

McCallum was in the same stable as Hearns up until Hearns fought Duran. McCallums only win of note at the time Hearns left the division was over a Kalule who had been beaten by Moore in his previous fight. There was never any clamoring for a Hearns - McCallum match during his tenure at 154 as McCallum wasn't yet that highly regarded. He gained a lot more exposure when he beat Curry, who despite copping a beating 12 months earlier was still a 2-1 favorite. McCallum just wasn't that highly regarded at the time.

Mugabi had only fought a few fringe contenders (if that) prior to Hagler and in his previous 4 years had made 154 just once. Realistically he guy was campaigning as a middleweight even tho he was rated in both divisions. His 5 fights leading up to Hagler were all above 154. He had one fight at 154 after losing to Marvin. Circa 83-85 he had one fight at 154.