Canelo no longer enrolled in VADA's 365 testing program

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not bothered by anything AA. I just was interested in what made you believe Loeffler knew Canelo would fail a test? It sounds like it's just a gut feeling. Maybe it was in the contract, but I don't see what would have tipped Loeffler off to push for earlier testing if that was the case. As far as routines and cycles of using drugs are concerned those are just theories and gut feelings as it relates to Canelo. There's no way to prove it either way, but the possibility of accidental meat contamination is strong for Mexican athletes, so that seems to be the most reasonable explanation. If you believe Canelo was cycling off something or that Loeffler knew that he was somehow, you are entitled to your belief, but these are much a bigger stretches then just accidental meat contamination which seems the more likely scenario. That said, I'm not sitting here and making any absolute claims. Anything's possible, but when you bring up a theory like Loeffler knew something it's natural for me to follow up on that and ask you what makes you believe that. For elbonzo to pop in and shoot down your theory, tell you you've been duped then throw a hissy fit at me is telling AA. Some posters are mature unbiased and respectful to other differing views. Some aren't. I might not agree with you but I'm always willing to hear you out and engage in a worthwhile discussion.
     
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  2. shadow111

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    You even agreed that it would be some funny business if Loeffler was able to get VADA to test him earlier. On the other hand, if both sides agreed to earlier testing in the contract, that's another thing. You seemed to believe it was the former originally and agreed that would be some funny business. I'm just trying to determine if Loeffler had some kind of a hunch that Canelo would fail a test. It doesn't sound like there's anything documented that suggests that. But you seemed to believe it. Doesn't mean you're wrong, I get hunches all the time.

    But if it was innocently in the contract like elbonzo said, then fair game. The only thing I'll point out is that Canelo had been enrolled in VADA and had subjected himself to drug testing for a lot longer than GGG had up to that point.
     
  3. BCS8

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    Premise (1) Mexican meat contamination is a widely known issue
    Premise (2) A boxer who is outrageously wealthy and can afford to eat any meat he wants "accidentally" eats contaminated meat

    Conclusions:

    1) He doesn't give a **** and thinks he's bigger than boxing
    2) He's a window-licking imbecile that somehow doesn't know about this huge Mexican meat problem that directly affects his sport
    3) He took the clenbuterol on purpose and thinks he can trot out the lamest excuse since the last guy in Oscar's stable got caught on clen
    4) All of the above
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your premises are fair and reasonable. Your conclusions are absurd and obviously ridiculous. Regardless we don't know what happened BCS8. I give him the benefit of the doubt, you don't. Sure I'm a fan of the guy and you aren't. But still we don't know, I don't claim to know. Still it's a little bit obsessive to jump to conclusions when you as much as you act like it don't know jack about what happened.
     
  5. BCS8

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    He tested positive is what happened. So either he just didn't care, or he's the only guy in Mexico who doesn't know Mexican cows glow in the dark, or ... yeah, damn, he was taking a banned substance that just happens to be beneficial in his sport and got caught. I see no other explanations.
     
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  6. PIPO23

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    KEY WAS CLENELO was caught.

    Caught 2 years suspension minimum. But Clenelo is a cash cow therefore he is exempted from harsh punishment. I predicted he would get 6 measly months off which is nothing and will do nothing to curb the drug problem.His compatriot Luis Nery has failed a test and can't make weight. Again no punishment at all. If you want to solve the situation you have to get the juice of the problem and stop it.Frankly the governing bodies are not putting their foot down. 6 months is not enough.
     
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  7. IsaL

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    I have stated that Canelo fights the best consistently. There is no disputing that. If you think otherwise then you don't live I reality.

    Liam Smith was a championship fight. For a fighter of Canelo's caliber it may have been nothing but a tune up, but a championship fight nonetheless. You ask a tune up for what? What the hell are tune ups for smart guy? To stay tuned, for no other reason than to be in a fight and stay sharp, make money, pick up a belt, be marketed in another country.

    The Smith fight was a great opportunity for Canelo to accomplish the aformentioned. Since when is fighting for a belt against a belt holder bad? Your hate knows no bounds lol.

    And Liam Smith would be in GGGs top 10 wins. For one it would make GGG champion in a second division, and secondly it would be his 2nd sitting champion he would have dethroned. You're hate and nuthuggery doesn't let you see the obvious.

    If you disagree list 10 of GGGs opponent's in their prime that you consider more accomplished than Smith.

    Play again.
     
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  8. IsaL

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    Show me a link where he doesn't want to be tested by VADA or STFU son.
     
  9. shadow111

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    Or he just ate some food at a ballgame with Bill Clinton and Loeffler's henchmen barged into his house the next day with drug testing kits. Maybe it was espionage. Maybe Loeffler was flying around in a hot air balloon over the baseball stadium with super zoom binoculars and saw Canelo bite into that piece of meat at the ballpark and radioed it to VADA. We got CANELO now said Loeffler from his hot air balloon overlooking the baseball stadium !! THAT PIECE OF MEAT HAD CLEMBUTEROL IN IT ! Take this brown paper bag VADA AND RAID THE CANELO ESTATE!
     
  10. shadow111

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    What do you think BCS8 did Loeffler pay off the food vendor at the stadium too to put that extra little bit of clenbuterol in his dinner?
     
  11. iii

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    I doubt that very much.
     
  12. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant though....
     
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  15. Heavy_Hitter

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    When he will come off his cycles his tests will resume? That's the whole point of 365 testing so that fighters dont do roids before fights and test after they stopped preparing for a fight..
     
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