Foreman vs Wilder: Who is better

Nobody is talking about old George here. Young Foreman would be faster and quicker than most opponents Wilder fought. Definitely quicker than Ortiz or Silvestern.

 

No.
Ortiz https://i.imgur.com/7nxdbWX.mp4
Foreman https://i.imgur.com/3a2TbcD.mp4

Pretty clear speed advantage in Ortiz favor. At least to my eye, but I can give tons more examples if you like.

 

Hilariously enough I've just been playing Devil's advocate for Wilder. Think Foreman cuts off the ring and body punches the **** out of him. But WIlder would be a very live underdog with his length and power. Wilder might win 3 or 4 out of 10.

 

I'd like to see examples that are alike. In Ortiz clip, he threw some jabs and did quick combination to the body against taller opponent. Foreman threw powerful uppercuts on smaller opponent.

Completely different situations and Ortiz doesn't really look fast in that exchange.

 

Brb.

 

Ortiz https://i.imgur.com/46vIwOu.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/Dbfft6D.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/BBmI5pf.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/Mqo3neM.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/IIyd9ZC.mp4

Foreman
https://i.imgur.com/ukNMQbY.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/tHVZiVk.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/gRVwDFt.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/TApP4CS.mp4

 

Don't forget Wilders' poor workrate and questionable chin ! The height is an overrated factor in boxing -I think your ideal sport is the boring basketball.- like the fat Ruiz proved last time.
All in all Foreman would destroy Wilders' thin and fragile body.

 

In the first clip Ortiz showed nice, decent movement for his size and one quick attack.
In the second clip there is nothing worthy of talking as far as speed comes.
In the third clip Ortiz looks sloppy and he's not fast at all.
In the fourth clip Ortiz threw some decently fast body punches (nothing Foreman wasn't able to do) but other than that, nothing special.
In the last clip Ortiz threw quick right hand, all of the rest he threw were not fast by any standards.

In the first clip Foreman wasn't fast at all, but he basically only threw jabs to establish his range.
In the second clip Foreman threw quite quick uppercut at the beginning, the rest of the punches are slow but very powerful.
In the third clip Foreman's first combo was quite fast and he hurt Norton with it. The rest (including 4th clip) is just a finishing badly hurt fighter, so Foreman used slow but powerful punches.


Nothing here suggest me that Ortiz is much faster than young Foreman.

 

Another thing is that Wilder has very low workrate, that could be a huge disadvantage against Foreman. George would cut him off the ring and Wilder wouldn't find a place to hide. He didn't have Ali's jab or clinching tactics to bother Foreman and he didn't have as durable body as Ali - another huge reason why Ali won.

 

You said Foreman would be the quickest fighter Wilder faced. I disagree, Ortiz had quicker hands and feet. Foreman threw with everything he had often. Ortiz punched for speed and moved more fluidly than young George.

 

I said that Foreman would be quicker opponent than Ortiz, not the quickest in his career. I still stand that Foreman was quicker fighter especially in terms of feet. Watch some fights of younger Foreman, he didn't always use slow footwork.

 

If you think Wilder is slow then you haven't seen any of his fights. If Wilder is slow George Foreman is a statue. Foreman rarely got hit in his prime because he was bigger than most of his opponents which meant he can shove them out of range. But Wilder is 6'7 so his lean back style would work against Foreman.
Wilder only throws off balance hurts his opponent. His technique was horrendous but he's improved it recently.
Wilder fought Duhaupus in 2015 and Szpilka in 2016 he's improved since then and they were both faster than Foreman.
George Foreman isn't Tyson Fury he's smaller and slower than him he couldn't do to Wilder what Fury did to him.

 

Wilder would be too quick for the older Foreman who wouldn`t have laid a glove on Fury, Frazier too far gone in his rematch v Foreman and fought a stupid fight, if he backed off like that v Wilder he would have been destroyed.

 

Foreman's work rate wasn't great either.
Wilder took several big punches from Ortiz and didn't go down. Height isn't everything in boxing but if you know how to use it, it gives you an advantage over most opponents.

 

Of the two guys that took Wilder the distance, one of them (Stiverne) was shorter than Foreman.