Teddy Atlas: “Was Pacquiao was on steroids against Thurman?”

Pacquiao threw 780 punches vs Cotto. Mostly power shots.
Against Thurman he threw 680.
But Pacquiao is nowadays throwing a lot more jabs. He isn't able to keep that pace he had once before. Even his combinations aren't as explosive as they one were.

He has clearly slowed down with age.

Duran at 43 threw 680 punches vs Pazienza.

 

VADA tested Pacquiao and Thurman.

LAS VEGAS – Keith Thurman is completely comfortable with the amount of performance-enhancing drug testing that has been done leading up to his fight with Manny Pacquiao on Saturday night.

Testing administered by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association didn’t begin until Pacquiao and Thurman were well into their training camps for their WBA welterweight title fight Saturday night at MGM Grand Garden Arena.

Thurman told *******.com on Tuesday that he would’ve welcomed comprehensive testing sooner than it began for this fight, but he isn’t suspicious as to why that didn’t happen.

“It was never a big issue,” Thurman said following their grand arrivals at MGM Grand. “They came into camp. There was some drug testing. It doesn’t bother me. However they coordinate it, I accept it. I’m a world champion. I always box clean, fight clean, test clean, and I’m very proud of that. I’m not worried about Manny Pacquiao at the age of 40.

“We’ve been on his [Instagram page]. We’ve watched his performances. We see everything. He doesn’t look 15 years younger. I believe that he’s a professional athlete that is true to the sport. There will be testing before and after the fight, just like every world-class boxing event. It’s just not a thing to worry about.”

It's pretty obvious to me that Thurman didn't want VADA testing and Pac didn't care because he's that confident in himself. I don't think Thurman was juicing, but I do think that he's on a lot of prescription medications for his injuries and didn't want to jeopardize the fight by triggering positive tests.

 

Google "Vince Carter Andrew Wiggins Vertical Leap"

Take the test Vince! You PED cheat

 

That's because Nadal is suspect AF himself. With his style and the injuries he's managed to recover from his continued success into his 30s is incredibly suspicious.

 

Looked like he could have used something extra. I thought he looked good but not PED good. I think he would have stopped Thurman if he had that kind of edge.

 

Ken Rosewall and Jimmy Connors were competitive into their forties. Besides, tennis has one of the more stringent testing requirements.

 

They must have done this like 2 or 3 weeks before the fight because it was widely reported that they did not have VADA testing. Testing that close to the fight is pretty useless anyway to be honest. You load up on PEDs before camp is even started. To start testing that close to the fight PEDS are going to be out of your system anyway

 

You all must have watched a very different fight last Saturday because I saw a very faded Pacquiao there who weren't able to pull the trigger a couple of times, wasn't able to finish off a visibly hurt Thurman on the 10th round, and practically gave up the middle rounds because he was visibly gassed.
I remember there was a moment when Pacquiao was backing up and there was an exact moment when he could have given Thurman a thundering left hook, very similar to how he knocked Morales down while he was backing up too, Pacquiao aimed at Thurman, but for some reason didn't throw the punch.

Watch Pacquiao-Bradley 3 so you may draw some comparisons of what Pac's stamina used to be like. Heck go back further to the Cotto fight and see the difference. Even the Pac against Matthysse has a higher workrate.

 

Or maybe Nadal is really clean and just a good sport. A suspected drug cheat would have went out in public accusing his opponent. Probably say he will clean up the sport by having tests which have never been done before.

 

Anything short of 360 testing allows for cycles. Ahem Canelo ahem.

I'd also say that what Pac is doing is still super impressive, PED's or not.

 

Maybe but I doubt it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/o...players-athletes-footballers-and-a-boxer.html

 

Yeah, what im saying is that not because Federer has done what no other player before him has done., he becomes a PED chaeter right? This is whats happening to Pacman

 

Nice comeback

 

I consider myself to be pretty educated when it comes to PEDs and their use in sports. I have never used, but I have close friends who cycled on/off and also done a ton of research. I won't ever accuse someone of steroids unless there is evidence. That does not necessarily mean a failed drug test, there can be circumstantial evidence.

Let me first say this: if you are asking me to bet my entire bank account on a pro athlete being clean....I would not take that bet. These guys have way too much to gain from using and I believe 80% of combat sports athletes are on some sort of PED. Not necessarily steroids, but cutting agent, fat burner, etc.

I know this is about Pacman and people will think I am bringing up Marquez to discredit his win, but Marquez (for me) is a good example of someone whom I think used but was never caught. Use your brain: linked up with Angel Heredia (known steroid supplier), packed on a ton of muscle, had sudden acne in his late 30's, and delivered a monster KO shot to Pacman. That is circumstantial enough for me.

With Manny, it's hard to say. He's always been ripped, even as a youngster. I hate when people do the whole "well he was a flyweight and moved up to JMW!". That is not an argument. He was pro at 16 years old. At 16 I was about 155 now I'm 205 and I am maybe 12% body fat. Manny has always been undersized, he just does not cut weight. So in reality, he's always been a 135 lb. fighter considering most of those guys are entering the ring in the high 140's or 150+. I did not see any amazing performance against Thurman. He looked the same against Thurman as he did against Horn, Broner, Matthysse, etc. In fact, I would say he looked worse because he gassed in the latter half of the fight.

Did Manny use some sort of PED at some point? Numbers would suggest yes because damn near every athlete uses. But until he tests positive or has some major evidence against him, I would shut the **** up.

 

Couldn't have said it any better.
I would add another circumstantial evidence here though, Floyd getting caught injecting fluids.
Any person worth his salt will know that he was masking a substance when he did that.
Not that it's gonna change the outcome of the fight by a huge margin though.

And that's the funny thing about all these.
The Floydiots are the ones pushing the allegations against Pac, who TBF has always been suspect, whereas there is even greater evidence against Floyd.