Who has the greater legacy: Pacquiao or Floyd?

Again CJ has been alleging Vegas corruption for some time now, as far as Bob Bennett, as far as judging. But now we have a close decision that Pacquiao wins and all of a sudden there's no corruption lol. I don't really expect any answers from CJ because when pressed he either deflects or runs away. But the question needed to be asked, and the lack of a response is telling.

 

I didn't think it was close. It was competitive but it wasn't close on many people's cards. That it ended up a SD is farcical in the eyes of most observers and yet another example of poor/suspicious judging in Las Vegas.

 

I thought it was close, but even if you're right that it was a clear Pac-Man win and that it being a SD is another example of suspicious judging, CJ has made it clear that he doesn't believe there was anything suspicious about this decision. That's the point, for months he's been carrying on about Vegas corruption, but regarding Pacquiao - Thurman he sees nothing suspicious.

 

Some people just put a massive amount of stock in H2H.

Look, I never thought that Pac was going to beat Mayweather in 2015 and wouldnt have been favored to beat him in his prime either.

But that does not mean hes automatically a greater fighter p4p in my opinion. If Carl Froch beat Mayweather (and he would) does that make him hands down the greater fighter with the greater legacy.

The easiest way to discredit Pacquiao is to say hes not actually that small. Which is pure BS, because hes a 5'5" with narrow shoulders and won the 112 pound championship. The man is TINY. Ain't no way around that.

 

Well CJ is a very odd man. He is prob the only poster on this site who believes without any shred of doubt that Margarito was entirely innocent and framed. I'm not surprised he's not very consistent.

On topic I think this serves as further evidence that Vegas may well not be on the up and up.

 

Mayweather fought top fighters at prime as well. Pac like Mayweather also beat some big names pass their prime, but Mayweather gets more credit in that area because he beat those guys before Pac. Like DLH, Mosley. Pac also get some credit taken away from him because he fought alot of those prime and pass top fighters at an advantage by fighting them at catch weight in which those fighters where weight drained, like Cotto, DLH and Clottey just to name a few.

 

Very odd and I tried to press him on this but he don't address it. Then you have this clown of a poster iii coming at me defending CJ and trying to relate everything to Canelo lol. Personally I'm not one to allege corruption when it comes to judges decisions. But when you constantly allege such corruption as CJ has done (regarding Canelo GGG decisions for example) then play dumb when Pac wins a decision and acts like everything in Vegas is now on the up and up, it's sounds a little too convenient.

You're not the only one who seems to believe that Pacquiao beat Thurman wider than the judges had it, but I think boxing is the kind of a sport where someone is always going to disagree with scoring, since it's subjective, and that could lead one to believe there is some kind of corruption involved, but personally I don't make that leap too often. I thought Thurman won most of the rounds over the 2nd half of the fight and that Pac edged out a narrow decision. And when you look at the punch stats, Thurman dominated in power punches landed and landed more punches overall (according to compubox). I don't put much stock in compubox but that seems to go against the idea that Pac dominated or won it wide.

 

You just totally ignored the defining fights of Pacs career in this post.

 

The issue when arguing punch stats is you need to break it down RBR.

Thurman out-landed Pac in round 1 and round 10. However, he lost round 1 10-8 and clearly lost round 10 10-9 because he got badly hurt. So he is already at a pretty big deficit. That means Pac out-landed Thurman 6 of the 10 remaining rounds.

Compubox is always sketchy, whether that be in Pacmans favor or not. Thurman clearly lost this fight anywhere from 8-4 to 6-6. Not sure how anyone manages to give Keef 7 rounds.

 

Compubox's very name is misleading. It's people watching it back. I've watched fights and disagreed with it many a time as waaaaay off. You won't see me cite it as a valid statistical source.

 

My post wasn't to talk about all of Pac's defining fights, but to address that Mayweather and Pac both fought top fighters in their prime and past prime!

 

Kind of hard to prove a point about Pacquiaos career if you dont bring up the defining fights of his career.

 

No it's not. Just told u my point i was making towards someone's opinion.

 

This didn't decide anything old fool. ESPN the Ring and Roach decided that PBF was greater I'll take their opinion over fanboys and haters like you.