My 2019 Top 100 fighters of the Queensberry Rules era

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  1. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Once again; my top 100 fighters of all-time!

    I did it in 2003, 2007, 2011 and 2015 (my top 100 in 2007: http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=21561, 2011: http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=285334 and 2015:https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...fighters-in-the-queensberry-rules-era.543547/).

    For those interested the numbers in the brackets were where I placed the fighter in 2015 and Kid McCoy and Carmen Basilio were the fighters replaced from the last list.

    100 Jem Mace (100)
    99 Felix Trinidad (82)
    98 Mike McCallum (83)
    97 Tony Zale (97)
    96 Rinty Monaghan (89)
    95 Jack McAuliffe (90)
    94 Freddie Welsh (88)
    93 Al Brown (84)
    92 Nino Benvenuti (78)
    91 Ken Buchanan (85)
    90 Vasiliy Lomachenko
    89 Shane Mosley (80)
    88 Young Griffo (73)
    87 Nicolino Loche (91)
    86 Jung Koo Chang (95)
    85 Pancho Villa (74)
    84 Joe Frazier (94)
    83 Eusebio Pedroza (93)
    82 Dick Tiger (92)
    81 John L Sullivan (87)
    80 James J Corbett (86)
    79 Andre Ward
    78 Kid Chocolate (69)
    77 Wlad Klitschko (99)
    76 Mike Tyson (79)
    75 Juan Manuel Marquez (75)
    74 Georges Carpentier (81)
    73 Kid Gavilan (71)
    72 Jimmy Carruthers (64)
    71 Bob Montgomery (61)
    70 Ted ‘Kid’ Lewis (77)
    69 Lennox Lewis (76)
    68 Wilfred Benitez (68)
    67 Jack Dempsey (The Nonpareil) (72)
    66 Stanley Ketchel (59)
    65 Tommy Loughran (56)
    64 Benny Lynch (70)
    63 Ruben Olivares (60)
    62 Maxie Rosenbloom (57)
    61 James J Jeffries (58)
    60 Carlos Ortiz (67)
    59 Antonio Cervantes (63)
    58 Jim Driscoll (53)
    57 Abe Attell (52)
    56 Aaron Pryor (62)
    55 Salvador Sanchez (65)
    54 Wilfredo Gomez (66)
    53 Bob Foster (45)
    52 Rocky Marciano (54)
    51 George Foreman (55)
    50 Manuel Ortiz (42)
    49 Pascual Perez (41)
    48 Ike Williams (50)
    47 Eder Jofre (39)
    46 Azumah Nelson (51)
    45 Jose Napoles (49)
    44 Carlos Zarate (40)
    43 Michael Spinks (46)
    42 Evander Holyfield (37)
    41 Emile Griffith (30)
    40 Larry Holmes (44)
    39 Alexis Arguello (48)
    38 Oscar de la Hoya (31)
    37 Tommy Hearns (36)
    36 Jack Dempsey (47)
    35 Mickey Walker (28)
    34 Tony Canzoneri (43)
    33 (Barbados) Joe Walcott (20)
    32 Jimmy McLarnin (38)
    31 Ricardo Lopez (35)
    30 Jack Johnson (32)
    29 Marvin Hagler (34)
    28 Terry McGovern (27)
    27 Joe Gans (22)
    26 George Dixon (23)
    25 Roy Jones Jr (33)
    24 Bernard Hopkins (26)
    23 Sandy Saddler (14)
    22 Manny Paciquao (29)
    21 Julio Cesar Chavez (21)
    20 Barney Ross (19)
    19 Charley Burley (16)
    18 Pernell Whitaker (18)
    17 Ray Leonard (13)
    16 Gene Tunney (25)
    15 Jimmy Wilde (24)
    14 Benny Leonard (9)
    13 Willie Pep (15)
    12 Sammy Langford (12)
    11 Archie Moore (11)
    10 Carlos Monzon (10)
    9 Joe Louis (7)
    8 Floyd Mayweather Jr (17)
    7 Ezzard Charles (8)
    6 Muhammad Ali (6)
    5 Harry Greb (5)
    4 Bob Fitzsimmons (4)
    3 Roberto Duran (3)
    2 Henry Armstrong (2)
    1 Ray Robinson (1)
     
    TBooze, Jul 22, 2019
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  2. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Great stuff!

    We can all nitpick over placement and where we agree or disagree but it's good to acknowledge that most people's all-time p4p lists change over time and not all positions are set.

    Having said that, I think you're spot on with your top 2!
     
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  3. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I really think that Ali is overrated compared to Ezzard and Langford. I also would have Gans and McGovern clearly higher. Some other heavyweights can be a bit lower, overall this list is great.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    Real good. Seeing Freddie Welsh that low makes me sad in my balls and Langford below Mayweather made me scratch a little NO into the living room table though.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Good read, good list

    Although seeing Mayweather next to Ezzard did make me want to backflip of a balcony, as did seeing Duran above Ezzard
     
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  6. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Nice work.

    Could you explain why you didn't include Packey McFarland?
     
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  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Love Duran being placed that high. I would have FM outside my top 30 though
     
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  8. TBooze

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    The numbers are awe-inspiring, but I am always really suspicious of my knowledge in the no decision era, and I know so little about many of the names who fought McFarland. I have never read a book on him either, that will hurt his standing.

    But I suspect if I did my research he would be on there.
     
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  9. TBooze

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    There is nothing that totally stands out as an original or creative philosophy, as I tried to be pragmatic.
     
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  10. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Got to have Joe Gans higher, and Hagler higher than Roy Jones

    Floyd above Langford ,Pep and about 25 others is a shock
     
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  11. Jel

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    Hi Ra's Al-Ghul, are you going to post your top 100 all-time p4p?
     
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  12. Tonto62

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    I think its a good list,I wouldn't presume to put them in order. Carruthers and Monaghan don't belong imo
    Freddie Steele?
    Owen Moran has wins over
    Wolgast
    Neill
    Murphy
    Baldwin
    Stanley
    Dixon

    Holman Williams has wins over
    Wade
    Moore
    Burley
    Lytell
    Belloise
    Cocoa Kid
    Marshall
    Basora
    Booker
    Tunero
    Chase
    That's better than Carruthers and Monaghan's records put together,imo.
    Peter Kane?
     
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  13. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Steele was considered for the list; Moran is a tough one, I probably do underrate him, as he is top 40 on my British list. Williams and some of his contemporaries were also considered, and I understand why many have him in their list.
     
    TBooze, Jul 24, 2019
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  14. Unforgiven

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    Mayweather's too high.
    He should be around where Oscar De La Hoya is.
     
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  15. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a great list ...the only thing i would change...is maybe putting James Toney somewhere towards the bottom ...but I'm biased ...great job!
     
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