Hearn hinting pac is on performance enhancers

I thought Armstrong failed a test in 1999 but got it covered with a back dated prescription?

 

The problem i have is the bitterness of hearn, not so much the statement. He would never say this if manny signed on dazn. Also talks about testing on championship fights but alot of his cards don't have testing. fowler has never been tested. Lucas brown hasn't been tested on eddies shows considering he has been caught himself.

 

Wilder is also Juicing

 

Personally I think Thurman or Pacquiao could have been juicing. It's laughable that boxing doesn't have VADA testing for every world title fight.

 

You’re right about what you say but let’s be fair , Eddie isn’t the only promoter to do this. Look at how Kid Galahad was treated and questioned by warren and co, do they not do any fights with drug cheats then?

If we’re being honest , boxing is filled with hypocrisy.

 

Could be more to do with both fighters being under Haymon now that Manny has made the late move to Al. Team Mayweather/Haymon spent a long time pushing Manny for random testing before the fight got made years later.

For Pacquaio/Thurman; "Subject to testing standards limited to that provided by Nevada State Athletic Commission. Original plans to secure the services of Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) were called off for reasons that haven’t yet been made clear—and too late in the game to rectify with just four weeks to go before fight night. VADA representatives declined further comment beyond confirming that they are not involved in any aspect of the July 20 card."

It's all suspect.

 

I think so too.

I think though that Wilder is a fantastically gifted natural athlete and could probably have turned his hand to a few sports professionally in fairness to him.

 

Hearn is a very righteous man, hates drug cheats, wants a clean sport.
(Look, we can even do this one without those highly suspicious AJs and Brooks ... or his keen dealings with Canelo)

Hearn signed known PED cheat Ortiz and stuck him in to bash the **** out of clean novice Dave Allen, for chump change, causing Allen to take permanent damage. That's how much Hearn cares about a clean sport.

 

Promoters who are driven by principles won't get very far in the business.
Miller failed at least 3 tests for assist in human growth, increased capacity for oxygen in blood, plus fat loss. Subsequently Eddie stated that while he wouldn't do business with Miller in the short term because he'd upset AJ's apple cart, "give it a year or two" and he will. Warren stated that he has no problem at all with doing business with Miller as soon as his ban is served.

4 of the top ten Ring heavyweights have either failed tests, been banned, or both; Fury, Whyte, Ortiz and Povetkin

 

To be fair that’s not the best example , Miller done Hearn dirty and he’s still probably fuming with him. I’d be shocked if they worked together again.

Miller means nothing to Warren and is a perfect opponent for Fury next if it’s not wilder.

 

That's the point UKB - Hearn has publicly stated that while he is hacked off with Miller and it's still raw, give it a year or two and they'll be doing business again. Against a cheat, banned boxer and by his actions might well have ripped the rug prematurely from underneath AJ. But Hearn will still do business with him.

 

B Hop wasn't still winning fights on physicality like pacman. Pacman is physically BEATING up these guys.
He was very defensive and crafty, a style that didn't require elite physicality

Every single guy in history including atg's who fought like Pacquiao either burned out at 30(Tyson Dempsey Chavez Frazier chocolatito Trinidad Marciano Pryor LaMotta hagler how many other examples do you need?) or drastically changed their style(Roberto duran, Barrera and even they didn't do anywhere near as well as pac did that late in his career)

Now consider that Pacquiao has neither burned out nor really changed his style that much(even if he has improved technically) AND he's doing it against bigger guys unlike Foreman and Klitschko who did it at 40+ against small or unskilled guys(as heavyweights).
PAC is STILL walking through the top guys.



And I haven't even started to mention all the circumstantial evidence that has been discussed a million times already.

For the record I believe Marquez and Floyd were on drugs as well so I have no bias here

 

Pac didn't use physicality against Thurman to win the fight and he in no way walked him down. Thurman still backed Pac up at times. What won Pac the fight was the things he has developed since he stopped being a weight bully at the lower weights - his ring IQ and his footwork (IMO). Thurman hasn't fought anyone who utilises angles that Pac does and he sure as Hell hasn't fought someone as fast (even with Pac's diminished speed). Plus the guys he has beaten, they weren't massacres. He just about got by Garcia and Porter; they were super close fights and those two aren't exactly greats.

And you're right, most guys burn out in their 30's, that's absolutely true. There is a minority who hit their peak before that though, which is suggestive that some can hit their peak after - or at least maintain it for a longer period of time. It isn't like he hasn't slowed down and his punch output has really done gown over the last few years, the signs of decline exist but I would argue that the height he is declining from is so high that he can compete with guys like Thurman still (NOT guys like Spence or Crawford though, they blast him away). B-Hop was still competing at about 8-9 years Pac's age which is way more suspect to me. I wouldn't agree that fighting primarily defensively doesn't require physicality either, particularly when you fought on the inside the way Hopkins could.

Floyd's IV thing is plenty well documented. I feel like JMM is one of the more obvious cases that didn't fail a test but since he didn't fail, I'm not gunna outright call him a cheater.

EDIT: Forgot to add, this isn't me saying PAC IS INNOCENT etc, it's just saying it's possible he is until he fails a test.

 

I’d be ****ing shifting meself if I was on it and was tested. Regardless of cycles and masking agents or whatever, It’s just the way i am. There’s a lot at stake for these sportsmen. I’ve had a couple of tests before where I knew I was clean but still was thinking about poppy seeds I’d ate or that line I had 6 months ago haha.

My heart says it’s the minority on stuff but my head says it’s the majority.

 

He has also signed and had headlining plenty of others guys who have failed tests for PEDS - Miller, Whyte, Browne, Povetkin and Seldin off the top of my head