Prime Sonny Liston vs Ortiz that Wilder fought

Tonto62 · Jul 24, 2019

Dubblechin said: ↑

Most of them? He lost to all of them. (LOL)

Dave Bailey fought a dozen times in the mid 60s and didn't win a fight he competed in for 5 years except one. He stopped Zech in TWO (the year before Liston went freaking seven rounds with Zech because Sonny had a problem with the southpaws - he only fought one - namely Zech). The highlight clip is posted. Look how badly Liston is missing Zech because Zech is simply moving to Sonny's left.

And if Sonny had problems with a bad southpaw like Zech, he'd probably have problems with a very good southpaw like Ortiz. It's only common sense. But there's a severe lack of that in these threads.

You guys are grabbing at straws now.

I stated I thought it would be a pick'em fight and why. If you don't agree, fine.

But I'm tired of arguing with people with blinders on.
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So an around 40 years old Liston who hadnt fought in over a year ,and had less than 2 minutes of ring action in the last 2 years goes seven rounds with Zech before stopping him and this proves he has problems with southpaws?
What a load of absolute twaddle!

George Crowcroft · Jul 24, 2019

Tonto62 said: ↑

So an around 40 years old Liston who hadnt fought in over a year ,and had less than 2 minutes of ring action in the last 2 years goes seven rounds with Zech before stopping him and this proves he has problems with southpaws?
What a load of absolute twaddle!
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He didn't have problems with him he dominated from the partial footage I saw

Tonto62 · Jul 24, 2019

George Crowcroft said: ↑

He didn't have problems with him he dominated from the partial footage I saw
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I just watched it myself ,I agree.

Fergy · Jul 24, 2019

Smokin Bert said: ↑

Liston KOs Ortiz in 5-7 one sided rounds. Ortiz was out of shape, tentative, and cleary not on his PEDs for that fight. Not that Ortiz would win even with his PEDs.
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I'll go with this , Liston smashes him down .

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