Sam Langford vs Deontay Wilder

Anyone?

 

Wills is a top 25 HW, his résumé is outstanding
Ortiz has 1 win over someone in the top 25

 

So because Ortiz doesn't have as extensive a professional resume as Wills, you infer that he's a much worse fighter and would get knocked out by Sam Langford? Seems like a pretty big (and questionable) leap to me. A strong, cagy, powerful little guy like Langford has a much better shot against a big man like Wills who lets him close distance--"top 25 HW" or not.

 

I'm with you until the last couple sentences. How was Wills a master inside?

 

Yes. But That's not was I was inferring it's what you inferred
I implied it

Yes, but that's not why.
He gets KOed by Sam Langford because Sam Langford was a great man and a great fighter. He has the skill to get inside and go after the body, the chin to do it without much issue and the power to KTFO Ortiz.
Ortiz would try and nullify his jab, only to find him holding his hands up high would get him hit to the body and hard, then Langford would tie his arms up and wrestle with him (where he'd be over powered but would still seriously hurt Ortiz inside) then would land his power punches once Ortiz's defence (which is already somewhat limited by his flat feet) is gone

Ortiz wouldn't let him close the distance, Langford would just do it, Ortiz doesn't have a say in that matter. Sam knocks him out cold after a brutal beatdown

 

This is pure fan fiction.

You must think that Langford was magical (or that today's boxers are all completely worthless scrubs). I wish I shared your capacity to believe in super heroes!

 

No it's not, if you think so tell me why

No, I actually don't have him high at all H2H at HW.

Not all of them, I'm just not prepared to believe an overrated lower tier contender who never beat a top guy like Ortiz beats a pfp all time great who beat better HWs than Ortiz

I'd be willing to say that Langford beats Whyte and Pulev as well, although Pulev's jab and footwork make it a more difficult fight, as well as Whyte's KO hook being a big factor.

 

Lets look at Wilder's most recent fight.

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He is clearly not a textbook fighter, he had very little textbook defense, and relies upon his reflexes and offense to protect himself.

Wills is basically a textbook fighter, using a textbook defense, albeit an old fashioned stance.

He looks bad mainly because of Fripo's constant pressure, and mauling tactics, but he is basically controlling the fight.

If you had to train up an out and out novice, and send them into a fight, they would have much more chance emulating Wills's style, than they would Wilder's style.

That is not to say that a fighter with Wilder's style can't be better than a fighter with Wills style, but fewer could be successful with it.

 

The way that you describe Ortiz being utterly unable to prevent Langford from getting inside and unable to hurt Langford with his punches, while suffering a brutal beatdown and getting knocked unconscious just sounds like fantasy to me. It just doesn't sound like a realistic description of how a fight against someone with the southpaw Ortiz's size, skills, power, and fighting style would go for Langford.

Wait, you think Pulev would be a more formidable opponent than Ortiz?

 

Its not that I think Ortiz is unable to stop it, I just don't think he does all night, and every time Langford made you miss or he himself missed he'd grab hold of you and try to work inside and maul you around, this would lead to some pretty brutal action imo and that would definitely see Langford winning, even if he's out of his depth physically

It's how Langford fought, Ortiz has never fought a short infighter who was good enough to force himself inside and able to stand up to Ortiz

For Langford? Yes.
For Wilder? No.
It's a style match up, and I think Pulev beats Ortiz today or even a few years ago. Ortiz doesn't have the jab Pulev does, that's the best way for a HW (or anyone bigger) to beat Langford imo, outjab him and set up some heavy shots
Pulev would just outjab him and box all night, but yes I do.

 

I don't think that Sugar Ray Robinson was magical, or that the best extant contenders in the weight class above him were worthless scrubs, but I would still expect him to beat a lot of them!

This is simply because he is one of the best pound for pound fighters of all time!

 

The one thing that modernists often miss when analyzing a fight, is who is doing what, and how it impacts the other guy.

Look at Firpo's fight with Dempsey, and then look at how Wills coldly outboxes him, from very close range, while Firpo is trying to take his head off!

That is a man who has a lot of confidence in his boxing ability!