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Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BoxingDialogue, Jul 23, 2019.


  1. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Not if rehydration is tested too. That's the best way to do it really, 10lbs is the limit.
     
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  2. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Then they shouldn't cut weight so drastically. If some idiot wants to fight in a weight class three divisions below him and ends up dehydrated on the night then that's on him and his team. Add in a scrupulous medical that actually has the stones to prevent fighters from competing if they're not fit and no one gets hurt.
     
  3. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Stop hitting each other
     
  4. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    This relies on a medical team that actually knows their job and is prepared to enforce their decisions to stop a fight going ahead, especially in big fights where millions are on the line. Trouble is, too many pre-fight medicals seem to be conducted by idiots or paid off quacks who, so long as the fighter is able to stand upright, wave their hands for the go ahead.
     
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  5. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    This is the perfect solution, really.
     
  6. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Safety has come such a long way in the past few decades, it’s hard to see where to improve.
    Refs seem to do a much better job these days on stoppages.(I much rather the slightly early, than the slightly late stoppages).
    Rounds are now 12 instead of 15.
    MRI scans are able to pick up issues that used to go undetected.
    Fight night medical procedures are way more comprehensive than before.
    Medical science itself has come on leaps and bounds.

    At some point, we have to accept that a sport where trained fighters punch each other in the head will lead to rare tragedies like what happened to Maxim.
     
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  7. Zhuge Liang

    Zhuge Liang Active Member Full Member

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    Create a technology that can scan and monitor a boxer's brain through their thick skull. Not sure it would happen in the lifetime of our current generation though.

    But still with all of advanced technology present and future, it won't change the fact that boxing is a dangerous sport and the fatal risk will always be there.
     
  8. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    Yeah, one would think there is technology, but probably too many stank promoters acting like politicians to keep their fighters viable.
    I could then see the possibility of rigged scans.

    Maybe a retirement process implemented. Not sure if it would be based on how many fights or punches registered?
    I wonder if one were to tabulate for instance all of CompuBox or Punchstats numbers of how many times Pacman or a James Toney were hit or a Margarito who is a definite candidate for brain damage as often as he has been hit.

    Especially how the GREAT Reggie Strickland was allowed to amass a record of 66 -276- 17. One would think at some point commission would've capped his career. If any boxer loses more than 100 times, WTF is the point of sending him back into the ring again?
    Does anyone know if he speaks well or signs of punch drunk?
    https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/4741
     
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  9. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Exactly. Tragedies are an unfortunate part of the sport but dumbing it down isn't the answer unless you want to see it destroyed. There's no winning. a fight is stopped early and everyone bitches and moans, something like this happens and some of the same people turn into moral crusaders. It's up to the corner and the ref to save the fighter from themselves sometimes and while some of these tragedies have been worsened due to poor actions by those parties as well as ineptitude by the commission in assuring the injured fighter gets treatment there are plenty if not just as many incidents where a TBI occurred in a competitive bout where no corner or ref interference would have made a difference.
     
  10. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Boxing can never be made safe.

    It can be made safer but some of the measures that could make it safer would potentially ruin the appeal (bigger gloves, referees stopping fights prematurely). Same day weigh ins and more rigorous drug testing however would be legitimate changes for the better.
     
  11. JamesLightsOutToney

    JamesLightsOutToney Respect to all boxers Full Member

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    Not sure I'm on for headguards in pro boxing but I agree with the rest. Especially with rehydration, something needs to be done...
     
  12. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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  13. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I heard from a Spanish news source that Maxim only put on 1 pound from the official weigh-in to the next day right before his ring walk.
    I think factors like that should be monitored with fighters.
    Imo there should be a standard in boxing where fight night weight should be recorded. By doing this, boxing authorities have a record of what a particular fighter adds on in weight after an official weighin the day before.
    Say there was a log record of Maxim on average putting on 8 to 10 lbs for fights previously, and then all of a sudden he weighs in right before a fight only putting on a fraction of the weight he previously put on in past fights.

    The Spanish news source I talk about went on to point out that Maxim having only put on 1 pound the next day from the previous day was likely an indicator that Maxim walked into the ring severely dehydrated.
    To give an example, Oscar Delahoya history with weighins was that he'd put on 10+ pounds after an official weighin. For the Manny Pacquiao fight, he was so severly dehydrated in his quest to make 147 lbs, that he hardly put on any weight at all 24 hours later before his rind walk. If I'm not mistaken I think Pacquiao may have even walked into into the ring heavier than Delahoya.

    I think boxing should at least look into monitoring factors like the next day weighin to at the very least inform the ref and the commission doctor to keep extra caution and monitor the corner of a fighter like Delahoya vs Pacquiao and observe for signs of looking lethargic so that the fighter (Delahoya in that case) isn't allowed to continue to come out for rounds when its obvious he's getting thoroughly dominated and pounded on.
    In that particular instance, Nacho Beristain and Delahoya discussed it in the corner to throw in the towel and they made the right decision.
    But even in this particular case, the commission knowing what was going on with Delahoya physically, they would be within their rights to have stopped it even a few rounds earlier in that Delahoya was taking a beating and looking so lethargic that he wasn't able to muster anything to throw back at Pacquiao.
    Knowleadge like this can help prevent tragedies.
     
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  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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  15. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fine those dipsh***s who complain about
    - "trainer shouldn't have waved it off"
    - "bullsh** stoppage, way too early"
    - "what a coward, he simply quit".
     
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