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Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Jul 25, 2019.


  1. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Skill, ability, and conditioning in boxing haven’t improved at all really, but what has improved is medical technology and sports medicine, which gives modern fighters a better chance at longevity in their sport.

    40 years ago a detached retina or a torn ACL often meant the end for a fighter’s career while with today’s technology a torn ACL or detached retina is no big deal and can be easily repaired. If SRL had started his career just a few years earlier his detached retina would’ve ended his career for good.

    Joe Louis in his late 30’s also had major shoulder problems that greatly diminished his punching ability that would’ve easily been fixed with modern surgery.
     
  2. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Okay, let's examine further. So, if possible, please list next to the fighters below, which fighters you'd make them favored over from the second list below:

    Jack Roper
    Tony Musto
    Gus Dorazio
    Johnny Paycheck
    Johnny Davis
    Al Mccoy
    Jim Braddock
    Tony Galento
    Harry Thomas
    Abe Simon

    Norton (Holmes)
    Mike Weaver
    Tony Tucker
    Tony Tubbs
    Tim Witherspoon
    Michael Moorer
    Gerry Cooney
    Michael Dokes
    Buster Douglas
    Michael Spinks

    As an example:

    Jack Roper (Holmes, Weaver, Tucker etc etc)
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The obvious criticism is that you have taken the crem du la crem of the 80s, and thrown the B to C crop of Louis's era against them.

    But OK:

    Roper would have to be a long shot against anybody.

    Musto was a spoiler, who could win, but probably wouldn't.

    Dorazio, another underdog spoiler.

    Paycheck would be a long shot against anybody.

    Davis should just try to get out of the ring alive.

    Al McCoy, big risk to some of them in his prime, but not when the fight took place.

    Jim Braddock, big risk to most of them, and favorite over some.

    Tony Galento, big risk to most of them, and favorite over some.

    Harry Thomas, fairly safe for all of them, unless they take too much cocaine.

    Abe Simon, big risk for most of them, and favorite over some.
     
  4. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But even in this rudimentary exercise, and going with your views, the 80's list would be unquestionably harder to get through correct? Which was my exact statement which you replied with, I'm not so sure!!!
     
  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Hey man where ya been?!
     
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  6. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you really want to argue that human species changed after 100 years from biological point of view? Do you know how evolution works?
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Correct.

    I assumed that we were working with the best that Louis defended against, as the op implied by omission.
     
  8. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    That's how I meant when I posted , Louis winning the belt , presumably against Norton , then in real time facing each challenge .As in real life , certain challengers may be easier /harder than others . Joe may destroy Norton then struggle against a Weaver or a Tubbs . One of those guys in there could possibly pull off a Schmeling type win , depending on day in question .
     
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  9. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hi, Swag. Been unable to log on for a long time due to various reasons (mainly PC related). Back online now, and glad to see some familiar names. Didn't realise it had been so long!
     
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  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    No. I'm just skeptical about his Owens-Bolt claims. But I'm not exactly sure what any of it reveals about the sport of boxing though.

    Speaking of knowledge about evolution though, I just stumbled across this interesting article: https://www.ft.com/content/6fc26e8c-ada8-11e9-8030-530adfa879c2