Did Juan Manuel Márquez win the war with Manny Pacquiao?

And the first fight should've been a Pac win if not for a scoring error by judge Clements, who mistakenly thought that you couldn't score a 10-6 round and had the fight a draw as a result.

 

It's absolutely ridiculous when such an obvious and simple error couldn't be corrected and the official decision amended.

 

he is one of the most welcomed people

 

You're not required to score it 10-6 fyi.

 

I strongly agree, and that’s something no one can deny. JMM did win the war undoubtedly, but in the end Pac has won almost everything else. As great as JMM is, Pac will always overshadow him in terms of greatness, accomplishments, and legacy. The fact that Pac was able to still continue on and achieve more after a bad loss like that is proof of that. You won’t see anyone rank JMM higher than Pac in ATG status. Similar to how Ezzard Charles will always be greater than Jersey Joe Walcott despite losing to him twice (one by horrific KO).

 

Marquez, meet Pac's shadow.

Pac's shadow, this is Marquez. He will be taking up a permanent residence in you.

 

As one of marquez biggest fans

I gave pac the 1st by a point
2nd is 115 - 112 marquez (seen this so many times)
3rd... Never watched it since out of disgust... 118-110 ****in daylight robbery

4th was pacman best ever performance against marquez and its cos marquez stood his ground and did what he knew he had to do to get a victory.. Absolute warrior

It was an absolute privelage to see this rivalry play out

 

How did you come up with your user name, dude?

 

Are you going to tell me it translates really badly into something? Haha

My names Danny... My fave boxer was dinamita.... Dannymita

 

Pacquiao, meet Marquez.

Marquez, this is Pacquiao. You will put him to sleep brutally. And there's no one who can change that.

 

Saved me some typing

 

Yep that is true, much like when Jersey Joe Walcott put Ezzard Charles to sleep as well. And similar to Pac, Charles still had enough left to keep going on and be even greater.

 

You say that like I don't like Walcott as well.
Ezzard Charles prime was ended by Joe just like Pacquiao's was ended by Marquez.
The only difference is that Charles managed to beat Walcott convincingly

 

Not at all. I was just giving a comparison between the 2. I really enjoy JMM as much as Pac (I find JMM’s style more aesthetically pleasing), I just think it gets tiresome when people like to bring up the JMM fights as a way to downplay Pac, even though he does hold 2 wins over him. You can say he didn’t convincingly beat JMM (like Ali not beating Norton convincingly) but the fact is that you can still make a case of Pac having a win over him since they were close fights, even if you don’t agree. You can’t take away Pac’s win(s) over JMM, much like how you can’t take away Ali’s win(s) over Norton.