Prime Pac loses every historical H2H fight in history

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  1. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who did Wlad fight after Joshua? Does that mean Wlad was absolutely shot? Sure Oscar wasn't as good as he was in his prime, but he would have still put up somewhat of a fight if he stood a chance at all in his prime. Thats a fact.
     
  2. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, Pac's weakness are dirty fighters, I've said this many times. Horn wasn't the first to do it, a very average dirty little fighter called Agapito Sanches had similar success at BW.

    JMM is a stylistic nightmare. Same way Norton was for Ali. It happens. Doesn't mean JMM was better, just look at their performances against MAB, Bradley, Floyd or how JMM goes life and death vs Juan Diaz.
     
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    Marquez would of given Nelson a hiding. Even Morales and Barrera ducked him for good reasons.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He weighed in at 145, his lowest weight in over a decade. Could that have been a factor?
     
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  5. NoNeck

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    He at least fought a Forbes at Jr Middle. He was a corpse at 145.
     
  6. tealt

    tealt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How do you feel about Floyd at 130/135? If it was possible of course. 147 wasn't his best weight at all.
     
  7. tinman

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    Would pick Mayweather to win by decision to be honest. A great big man beats a great little man. But one thing is for sure Pac at 130 or 135 stands a much better chance than at 147.
     
  8. dangerousity

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    Floyd is all wrong for Pac IMO. When Floyd fights a certain way, he's not getting beat. He has 2 styles, the style that he fought Maidana 1, Cotto and Castillo 1 with, and the style he fought Castillo 2 and Maidana 2 with. Basically if he tries to fight, he makes the fights much closer. However, if he chooses to pot shot, run, hug, and we have a ref who allows the hugging, and judges who want score against the runner (some judges score against running like odlh-tito) with the fight in his backyard, can't even see him losing.

    Duran would be his toughest fight at LW and thats 50/50, Duran was an animal.
     
  9. dangerousity

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    Fight wasn't 145, it was at 147, Oscar made weight so easy he weighed 145. He fought Forbes at 150? On his way down to 147 for a Floyd rematch.
     
  10. dangerousity

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    Pac could drop down to 140 now and it would be his "lowest weight in a decade" and it would just improve his chances. Some of these stats are pretty useless and don't mean a thing.

    A guy who's drained is basically muscled around, no stamina. That wasn't ODLH issue, he simply couldn't handle the speed and angles and his wide open stance was tailor-made for Pac.
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    If he ran totally against Castillo and Maidana he would have gotten outworked. I scored both fights a draw. Sometimes you have to stand and throw just to avoid getting outworked. Whitaker would be solidly favored over Mayweather because workrate advantage.
     
  12. dangerousity

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    Floyd doesn't get outworked, he lands a couple of jabs extra, runs, then holds and wins the rounds with a couple of jabs extra.

    He ran totally against Maidana in Maidana 2 and won clean.
     
  13. tinman

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    Whitaker is much more creative offensively than Maidana though
     
  14. tealt

    tealt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wish Horn would fight someone in the top 10 other than Crawford/Spence.
    Floyd has been going downhill fast since Gatti. He was known as a power puncher at the lower weights. You didn't see much hugging running then.
     
  15. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    Floyd gave Pac a boxing lesson? Dude initiated 20+ clinches (deserving of at least 2 point deductions with any competent ref) and two times he decided to press the action, he got countered badly and stunned. The rest of the way, Floyd landed glancing blows and Pac was tit for tat with him.

    And don't forget, Floyd was on PEDs and Pac was injured, but we know you didn't really forget.
     
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