Am I wrong to not drink the Usyk Kool-Aid?

usyk is good, but grossly overated, and so is the cw division. a bunch of regulars having tough fights cause theyre well matched with other regulars, does not a strong division make. ive tried to see what all the fuss is about by just judging his ability, and that of his opponents, based on just speed, technique, skill, reflexes, power, ring smarts, etc... and i came up unimpressed.
now before you start crying about how biased i am, or how little i know about boxing, ask somebody.

 

Well, Whyte has fully proven himself.

No one can deny that.

The onus is on Usyk to prove himself at HW, and as Whyte handidly beat Rivas, let’s just see if Usyk can achieve that first before jumping the gun.

Usyk vs Rivas

Why not?

 

Remember all the Boxing articles on "Will Usyk be the First to Dethrone Joshua?" then Joshua gets Owned by the Snickers Bar King!!

 

Well there are doubts over the legitimacy of the Rivas win for the time being so let's stick a pin in that.

Also Usyk's standing in the sport is such that he should be allowed to make big fights straight away at heavyweight if he wants to. Considering they share promotional ties and this would be a big fight that would probably generate a lot of money I think it's interesting to hear how Whyte has discussed it - he clearly thinks it's too risky for the level of reward.

I don't especially blame him. I don't think anyone in the top 10 is going to be mad keen to get Usyk in there at heavyweight unless he looks vulnerable post moving up.

 

Thats because anyone that can box is high risk when you yourself aint the best technically

but Whyte is thinking purely from a business and ranking perspective he couldnt care less about losing as a fighter otherwise he wouldnt consistently pick tough opposition to fight against.

He isnt threatened by Usyk he knows in his mind how he would beat Usyk, he wouldnt try to box Usyk, he would maul him like he did Parker and it would work just as effectively.

Lets not make Usyk out to be a demigod, Parker had 15 years more experience than Whyte and isn't any less durable powerful or faster than Usyk.

I am extremely observant watching fights, body language, fascial expressions....

And Fighters underestimate Whyte when stepping in the ring with him before getting the smugness knocked right out of their face and their gameplan smashed to pieces....

The number of fighters who have stepped into fight Whyte only to end up looking at their corner in dismay by the 2nd 3rd and 4th round as if to say.... wtf is going on????????

Chisora, Parker, Rivas all suprised by and underestimated Whyte and their own trainers were suprised by Whytes boxing ability

I can timestamp their looks of dismay for you they are quite apparent

Usyk will be no different, looking to his corner in shock for advise.

 

If you think going life and death twice with a war torn Chisora and getting controversial W's over the likes of Rivas and Parker make you a shoe in to get to Usyk I don't know what to tell you. What I will say is that Dillian doesn't share your confidence. He was talking loud about anyone and everyone in the heavyweight division and then when asked about Usyk you could see the nerves.

Usyk dominant UD12. Book it now if the fight ever happens which I don't think it will. Happy for you to come gloat here if you're right but you won't be.

 

Whilst I agree a competitive division and a strong division are often conflated I think you're wrong here. Cruiserweight was a strong division and Usyk's ability to beat it into submission on the road was hugely impressive. Yes some people go overboard and that often causes a reaction in which others feel the need to push the other way.

He was an exceptional amateur who has become an exceptional pro in what was a stacked division and is now moving up to become an exciting addition to another competitive division.

 

Usyk only has a chance if he runs around the ring like a batty boy.

If he fights like a man he will get beat like a boy.

But anyways Team Usyk dont want it at all. Whyte would happily take it now as Usyk is WBO mando... when Whyte was asked about it before Usyk had no ranking

 

Wow. You're already making excuses. If it's not his style to stand there and mill like a caveman then why would he? You've been talking up Whyte's supposedly underrated boxing ability so let's see him put it in action or failing that if he's not good enough to box with him then try to brawl his way through.

I hate it when fans stupidly say a fighter should fight to his opponents strengths to try and prove something. It's ridiculous. Get the W however you can.

And we'll see. Assuming Whyte doesn't get banned for whatever the hell is going on with him and his status with UKAD I think he'll want no part of Usyk judging by previous statements. He'll mumble something about being WBC number one contender for however many days.

 

i just judge a divisions strength by the number of fighters i can see are actually talented. they move correctly, they do the right things in the right situations, they avoid obvious mistakes, etc... i did not see anything overly impressive in what ive seen at cw. yes, usyk is the best of them at cw, but from what ive seen of his competition, its no bigger achievement than most other fighters who manage to become the best in their division. road warrior you say? how many cubans, mexicans, pinoys, etc... have had the luxury of winning and defending their titles in their own yard? again, not overly impressed.

 

Show me all of these other champions who have completely cleared out their division on the road. This should be fun.

Edit: The Bandeedo eye test cracks me up. Please provide us with your detailed analysis of why the top rated fighters in the crusierweight division aren't up to much.

 

dig up my post history, if you have a better track record of being correct and calling whats going to happen and who beats who, i will leave this place, if you cant, stop pretending you know better.

 

So you brag about you level of analysis and then I have to prove it one way or the other? No thanks mate, I wanted to see what it was that you weren't impressed with in the crusierweights to see if there was something I'd genuinely missed but it looks like you were just blowing smoke up your own ass. Again.

 

As in if he doesnt decide to run away from Whyte and be negative like helenius, he fought bellew and Hunter up close if he comes to fight he will get beat down.

Anyways, Whyte is proven been there done that, time for Usyk to start his journey as entry level and see where he ends up in the division.

Whyte has already beaten decorated boxers in Rivas and Parker. Thousands of amateur fights between them, Whyte had only three amateur bouts.

Quite simply remarkable by Whyte.

 

Well if Whyte's beaten decorated boxers then no need to start accusing people of running if they try to outbox him then is there? If he can't live with Usyk moving a bit then that's his problem. This is boxing not milling.