Why does no one ever talk about Juan Manuel Marquez is a one dimensional fighter?

Marquez has tremendous power, intestinal fortitude, punch arsenal, punch accuracy, timing, stamina and counter punching. He's known for this stuff, but why does nobody bring up the fact that he's a fish out of water against pure boxers? And he's a fairly one dimensional and non versatile fighter.

It's one thing to be a counter puncher ,and it works against guys who are most comfortable being come forward guys. Marquez was known for his good fights with come forward guys such as Pacquiao, Salido and Katsidis. He's completely in his element when fighting a guy like that. Marquez is stylistic kryptonite for come forward guys.

But he's totally inept taking the lead, pressuring, walking down and bringing the fight to a guy who doesn't bring the fight to him. We've seen it over and over in his career. I'm not making this up, it's on tape, it happened and we've seen it.

Against Freddie Norwood, another cautious boxer, he was flat and took a loss for no real reason. He lost because he didn't have the skill to initiate offense against a guy who wasn't going to play to Marquez's counterpunching style.

Against Derrick Gainer he put up one of the all time biggest stinkers in a world title fight. It was terrible, he looked totally flat and could have taken a loss if not for the TD headbutt. Actually the headbutt saved us all. It stopped the fight and the lord showed mercy on us by stopping this fight.

He lost to Chris John and for some reason nobody ever brings this fight up. Dude took a loss again to another fighter because yet again he could not take the lead against another cautious pure boxer. Like Norwood, Chris John was a less aggressive boxer type fighter who wasn't going to play into Marquez's counterpunching style.

Against Barrera who by the way was far more technically versatile than Marquez. He could go to war, pressure you, counter you and take the lead. He did not possess Marquez's huge power or great stamina though. But in any case, the war torn, nearly shot Barrera took the much more fresh and prime Marquez into deep waters and basically stole the event. Showed him that if Barrera hadn't been so war torn Marquez probably would have lost.

Against Floyd (giving up major size admittingly) he was shutout. Because Floyd is another pure boxer who refuses to play into Marquez's counterpunching strengths.

Same thing happened against Bradley. Another pure boxer who doesn't play to Marquez's strengths.

Guys, there is a clear pattern here. Marquez is kryptonite for come forward brawlers. And is like a fish flopping around on the dock against cautious boxers.

 

I was thinking the same thing, but then realized he's the darling of boxing hipsters. Whenever a boxing fan wants to seem smarter, more enlightened, more hardcore, more advanced in their understanding of the sport they bring up Juan Manuel Marquez as their savior.

 

The point of the thread was to generate discussion about a part of Marquez's career that is basically overlooked by casuals and swept under the rug by his most ardent supporters. Marquez is a tremendously talented fighter no doubt.

I just want to know why his struggles against pure boxers is overlooked. And so far my theories are, most of his biggest fans are just Pacquiao haters and not really Marquez fans. Those who really do rate Marquez that high don't want to confront his glaring weaknesses with taking the lead.

 

No, this has been on my mind for a while. I've seen all the fights I've listed before and we have had little to no discussion about Marquez's career besides his fights with Pacquiao. It seems 90 percent of Marquez threads here are started by either Pacquiao haters, boxing hipsters who talk about Pac and Marquez.

Does anybody else tire of the idea that Marquez's career featured only 4 fights? He's widely recognized as an ATG. So let's have an actual discussion about the man's career then. He's retired is he not? Let's talk about Marquez without it turning into a Pacquiao hate thread or a Mayweather is the GOAT thread.

 

That too, Marquez has basically be used by a pawn by hardcore and casual Mayweather fans to pump up their hero because "how could Pacquiao ever be better than Mayweather when he could never clearly beat Marquez".

He's pretty much been a tool utilized by Mayweather fans since 2004. How many of them ever bring up the Diaz fight? One of the better fights I've literally ever seen.