12 round champs that wouldn’t have been 15 round champs

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  1. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    I know that the era a fighter comes up in will have an affect on them because they will train according to the rules of the day but there are a few fighters that I don’t see being able to cut it in the days of 15 round fights:
    Oscar De La Hoya
    Canelo
    Jermaine Taylor

    I don’t doubt that Manny, Floyd or Roy could’ve fought in the 15 round era.

    Who are some others that you see not making it?
     
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  2. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with Taylor. Not sure about Canelo. It seems like he's gotten better at handling his apparently naturally bad stamina.

    Michael Moorer

    Rafael Marquez

    Ike Quartey
     
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  3. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    FYI: Louis 202 lbs; Simon 252 lbs
    Joe Louis – Abe Simon: The Last Scheduled 20 Round Fight

    By Anne “Boxologist” Whitlock
    https://ringsidereport.com/?p=49626

    "For me the most significant fight in the past 75 years would have to be, the 20 rounder between Joe Louis and Abe Simon on March 21, 1941. Joe Louis retained his title with a 13th round stoppage of Abe Simon in the last major fight scheduled for 20 rounds. This to me was one of the biggest changes in boxing history."

    1941-03-21 : Joe Louis 202 lbs beat Abe Simon 254½ lbs by TKO at 1:20 in round 13 of 20
    Joe Louis Stops Abe Simon in Thirteenth Round
    Associated Press, March 22, 1941

    The impossible didn't quite happen tonight but it came close enough to throw a substantial scare into Joe Louis and his fistic family before the Bomber was able to do his work.

    With just a whale-sized heart and a dazzling left hand, the New York giant, Abe Simon—the big target who wasn't supposed to have one chance in a million of lasting more than three rounds—gave Louis a "helluva" fight of it for 12 full heats before running afoul of the Brown Bomber's big guns in the thirteenth.

    With the greatest indoor crowd in Detroit's fistic history jamming the Olympia and gasping in amazement at Simon's sensational showing, Abe gave just about as good as he received until the thirteenth. Then, floored twice by heavy-duty right hand shells, he got up and staggered helplessly into the ropes near his own corner. There, Referee Sam Hennessey rushed in and halted the bout with Louis a tired technical knockout winner at 1 minute, 20 seconds of the thirteenth.

    A total of 18,908 fans bulged this big arena at the seams and hung from the rafters to see the hometown champion, and Promoter Mike Jacobs said some 3,000 who couldn't even crowd into the packed standing room sections, were turned away. The gross gate was $56,605.10.

    But, although he locked his world heavyweight championship in the safe successfully for the fifteenth time, the great Louis was slightly less than a ball of fire. After it was over, the "experts" agreed he was mighty lucky not to have had to face the speed and left hand of a Billy Conn tonight.

    He finished up with a "mouse" under his left eye and the optic half closed and he left the definite impression behind that he is no longer at his peak, although at 202 pounds tonight his handlers insisted he was "in the pink."

    Altogether, Louis floored Abe four times during the 13 rounds this scheduled 20-rounder lasted. In the first round—in fact the first punch he threw—Joe whistled a right off Abe's "wiskers" that dropped him near a neutral corner. He was up without a count, however. In the third, another of the same sat Abe down in another corner, and be stayed grinning on the seat of his pants until the referee reached nine.

    Then, although Abe was hurt three times afterward, he didn't go down until the thirteenth. For several rounds before that Joe had been stalking the mountainous Manhattanite, obviously holding his fire until he had an open shot.

    He got it in the thirteenth. A smashing right dropped Abe near his own corner for nine. He got up as Joe rushed in sensing the kill. Three more rights dropped Abe in almost the identical spot, and again he took nine before climbing to his feet. Joe raced across the ring once more, but this time "our Abe," as Manager Jimmy Johnston calls his gladiator, was helpless and through. He staggered blindly into the ropes and it was all over. [1]
     
  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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  5. h8me

    h8me Member Full Member

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    How so?
     
  6. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chavez would've been a great 15 round fighter
     
  7. RockyMarciano

    RockyMarciano Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Taylor is the only one I agree with you on
     
  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Well he's had stamina issues for a While, he's started to gass around 6/7 since he was consistently fighting that amount, he isn't the best at pacing himself for the long run either, the Klitschko and Parker fights being my example
     
  9. h8me

    h8me Member Full Member

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    Klitschko was TKO'd and against Parker Joshua didnt have any kind of issues because Joseph didn't even engage in a fight.
     
  10. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Sergio Martinez

    Oscar De La Hoya
     
  11. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Frank Bruno was hanging on to Oliver McCall like there was no tomorrow in the 12th and last round of their title fight. He would have been unlikely to have survived a 13th round let alone a full 15 rounds.
     
  12. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pernell Whitaker
    Mike Tyson
    Riddick Bowe.
     
  13. JamesLightsOutToney

    JamesLightsOutToney Respect to all boxers Full Member

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    Curious choice. Why do you think so?
     
  14. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Think that Pernell and Mike weren't built for the 15, feel that Tyson would tire out, and Pernell would lose that special something in the final 3. As would Riddick.
     
  15. JamesLightsOutToney

    JamesLightsOutToney Respect to all boxers Full Member

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    Fair enough even though I disagree on Tyson and Whittaker. In their bouts that went the distance, I felt like they could keep on fighting, or at least didnt feel the opposite
    As for Bowe, I haven't seem enough of him to judge