How much credit do you give Antonio Margarito for his victory over Miguel Cotto?

exactly. What would be the point of going through all that trouble, and the loading of the gloves has an effect on the knuckles of the person with the help.

 

What this clown fails to say is " The lab actually said " Trace Elements of both sulphur & calcium were found on the pad when microscopically tested & both are ingredients of plaster in much larger amounts. " Both calcium & sulphur are also ingredients of HUMAN SWEAT".
Those pads were handled by at least a dozen people plus taken to Moselys dressing room & handled again. Plus the CSAC inspector watched the wrapping Passed & signed off on it
At no time did that lab catagorically state " Plaster was found in the wrap' That was a blatant lie At no time did the lab state they were hard & or of any danger to Margaritos opponent.
As for the rematch it was a carbon copy of fight 1 except Margarito was blind in one eye from round 2. The doctor knew this but did nothing until Cotto started to wilt AGAIN & Margarito was beating his chest only then did he step in & stop the fight. That part was blatant he saved Cotto not Tony
As stated in the video Richardson is known to cause a ruckus about their opponents wraps thats exactly how this debacle started & then got well out of hand
I knew Tony from 1999 & been ringside at many of his fights & have NEVER seen any improprieties whatsoever
I firmly believe a good fighters good name & career were tarnished UNJUSTLY It was practically criminal but nothing can be done about it today so I hope the people behind it feel proud of themselves. Now we must put it to rest
Oh BTW check the gyms Panama Lewis is STILL in boxing & has been for years

 

Margarito was on point in this fight. I dont know about wraps but like I said he was on point firing on all cylinders and he really beat the fight and will of Cotto badly..very badly to the point I felt sorry for Cotto. Vicious beating almost like a man against a boy.

 

If it wasn't true or if there was even a chance it was untrue everybody would be up to their eyeballs in lawsuits for libel, slander, loss of earnings etc just like dillian whytes people are suing the crap out of Tom Hauser even though it's probably true and pacquiaos people sued Floyd even though it was probably true.

The wraps were illegal, capetillo admitted it.... The story about "someone must have just thrown it into my bag" is laughable. So you just take a gym bag and leave it open for random people to throw things into before a multi million dollar fight?

Heeeellll no you double and triple check everything in the big leagues. The pad was discoloured, hard and dirty with old blood stains, you didn't notice before you put it on his hands? You didn't notice when you wrapped several layers of gauze over it?


Only real question is did margarito know.

Nobody who defends Antonio can explain the picture, there is no plausible explanation to that. You can see the same discoloration under the crack. It looks like a damn Stone that's been chipped by an icepick

 

The guy doing the video is a *****. I want my 20 minutes back. His smarmy interruptions detracted from the point he was trying to make. This isn’t to say that he’s wrong and Margarito was innocent, but rather based on the video you posted and saying “reporting” I was expecting something more professionally done and authoritative.

 

You want your 20 minute back because you didn’t like his smarminess...? Did you have any reactions to any of the substantive information he discussed?

FYI, he was mostly reading from a chapter from well-respected boxing writer Thomas Hauser.

 

You may be right.

 

And now we have a pretty good idea why it went down that way. Guess Cotto was the man and Margarito the boy in the second fight, when he definitely didn’t have loaded wraps, eh?

 

No pun intended?

Why on earth would we need concrete proof though? Do you actually think it’s more likely that the Mosley fight was a complete fluke than that something was up with his wraps in this fight too?

 

My reactions are mixed, tbh. Please don’t take my criticism of your video to mean that I believe Margarito is innocent; I’m not 100% convinced either way but I admit it’s possible. Like I said in my initial post the Mosely preflight scandal cannot be dismissed and it casts a shadow over his past career; in particular, his victories over Luann and Cotto.
I guess my confusion is in thinking that if he really did have “concrete blocks” or plaster I just imagine the effects being far worse. Antonio was never known as a big puncher, but rather a swarming, mauling take-two-to-give-one type of guy. Without his loaded gloves he must’ve been absolutely feather-fisted. In two of five fights prior to Cotto, he actually went the distance and his opponents, Clottey and Williams, didn’t appear to be savaged. Did he not load his gloves for those championship fights but he did for Luann, Cintron and Cotto? Miguel beat Malinaggi worse, including breaking his cheek bone, than Margarito beat Cotto. It would make far more sense to find out that Julian Jackson, Edwin Valero, Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns or Deontay wilder had loaded gloves. Somehow every other trainer and state athletic commission prior to Mosley missed out on the most heinous, and presumably obvious, trick in the book? Not only that, but for a guy packing concrete in his mitts he sure managed to maintain an extremely high punch output.
Anyway, these are some of my thoughts on why this isn’t as cut and dried for me.

 

Maybe the Cotto fight was the first one (or one of the first ones) where he used loaded handwraps? Would explain why Margarito's punches did so much less damage in the other fights you mention.

Watching the fight in hindsight, you can see that Margarito's punches are bothering Cotto way more than they should. Busts Cotto's nose and cuts him above his eye very early in the fight and some lumps and red patches started showing up on his face pretty early too. Has bruises and swelling inside of Cotto's ear by the 5th round. And if you watch Cotto's facial expression and body language after he takes some of those punches, you would think he was in there with a serious power puncher.

And I doubt he literally had concrete blocks in his gloves. But even a little bit of extra hardness can go a long way.

 

Not really. Cotto ran like a thief and Marg.was coming on and really making things a little hotter that Cotto would like at time of stoppage.

 

I was never that big a Cotto fan, and fact is he was getting hit alot

 

If by "making things hotter" you mean "not getting his ass kicked quite as much in round 9 as he did in round 8", then...maybe. But on the whole, Cotto inflicted a lot of punishment for someone who ran. In fact, he was able to not only hold his ground, but actually pushed Margo back the second time around.

 

Yes Cotto fought a much smarter fight but Marg was pushing him harder than Cotta wanted him too. Marg took the last few rds befor the stoppage. He was getting to Cotto and really had him moving alot more than he wanted too