Go back and read those threads. I was 100% backing Whyte for turning down the offer. That’s the whole point of this thread that’s being overlooked by the Matchroom bum brigade. When people slate fighters for turning seemingly good offers down they don’t consider the bigger picture.
I love this post, just says all you need to know. “A disgusting practice from Hearn”, are you saying he’s the only promoter doing this? Come on mate, this has been going on for forever. Haymon and Ruiz shouldn’t have agreed to the 9 million for the rematch if they weren’t happy. If Joshua had gotten Ruiz out of there in a few rounds, by your logic Hearn could have turned around and said I’m not happy with paying the 6 million agreed, you can have 3 million. Works both ways doesn’t it?
Not sure what I think about all this. On one hand, if Ruiz signed up to the rematch as part of his original contract for the first fight with a specified figure he will receive - he should honour that. Then again, I think it's a reasonable point that now the rematch is in Saudi Arabia and is generating more money than originally anticipated - he should get a bigger cut. I don't really enjoy these discussions much, but it's such a big part of modern boxing that you can't really escape it.
Maybe, and maybe Eddie will or can offer a bit more of a chunk. But he won't bend over backwards too far, as he can just grab someone else to make the headlines.
Ruiz is responsible for this fight. That’s all. No amount of shilling for Matchroom that you do will change that fact.
Yeah. that's an option, but then that leaves Andy to go off and have a couple of soft fights and make a lot more than 9m.[/QUOTE]
As it would take me decades for my current boss to pay me £1m I would laugh my way to the bank. Good for Dave.
I get the purist point of view, ideally Ruiz should be A side & earning the lion share as he is the champion, however, he signed a contract which he should honour. It is what it is. Also, it's not like Joshua is the first to do this, Mayweather had rematch clauses in case he lost, do you think he stipulated in the rematch clause that he would still be the financial A side, of course he did.
Point being there's very clear A and B sides here. Before the first fight Ruiz was a guy thinking about giving up, scraping by on meagre pay because ultimately he wasn't a guy who could sell a fight. Joshua made more money last year than any other sportsperson bar twelve others. Financially they could barely be further apart. Now Joshua is only getting that money because of his ability to sell; to viewers, to networks, to advertisers. Same applies for the rematch. Ruiz can moan about money all he likes. All that's happened is a realisation that the best don't always make the most.
Hmm...I just found it odd how some guys didnt want to fight Joshua when he was the CHAMPION and offered a lot of money...record paydays for some fighters. I just always thought that if I was a fighter and I believed my ability...I would have take the opportunity to become the champion and hold the most of belts. Even if the rematch clause was there and it was slightly unimpressive. Its still huge money and fame and more money will come, if I beat him. Then after the rematch Im the champ etc... Dillian Whyte didnt want it, Luis Ortiz didnt want it, Wilder wasnt keen taking it, etc. Of course they say that money was the problem, but...is it really? Is there something more to it too? I think there is. Im not calling them cowards, they are all very brave like every boxer, but...I dont think anyone will "avoid" Andy Ruiz like that, if he offers the same money...
True. Some people are overlooking the purpose of this thread. I didn’t start it to try to argue that Ruiz should be more fairly paid, even though I do believe he should be paid more fairly. It was more an objective post to just point out that people shouldn’t slate fighters for “ducking” without considering the bigger picture and how contracts might work with rematch clauses. When Wilder and Whyte turned down Joshua the forum majority slated both for turning down what the majority interpreted as very good offers.
