Whyte, Ruiz and Joshua: Rematch clauses

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by CutThroatFade, Aug 11, 2019.



  1. Trafford

    Trafford Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your thinking is very flawed in that Joshua earned that position. Anyone can put the work in market themselves in the right way and obtain the wins and sponsorships he has. Ruiz chose to eat snickers and sign with promoters that did not promote or back him. Is that Joshua’s or Hearns fault. So are we saying none the rematch clauses should be predetermined and Ruiz should go and prove himself out of the fight and the fans lose out on never getting to see the rematch? As you can get that’s what would of happened if Al Haymon who employs the exact same tactics as Hearn would have done.

    Many of the clauses you have said may not have been stipulated. I haven’t seen anything about Ring sizes and most contracts state gloves must be on the approved list of governing bodies. Not exactly saying AJ gets comncrete ones and Ruiz can have pillows. Ruiz wil get to wear the gloves of his choosing
     
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  2. londonboxingess

    londonboxingess Active Member Full Member

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    To me a lot of you are supporting what people would disagree with in real life, ie public school boys being given massive advantage due to their background and backers, MP's ie promoter dictacting terms to the small people and pooing down on them, sport should be a level playing field
     
  3. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    If that the case then they should take the money offered and beat AJ then they can moke their money then..
     
  4. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    I think there’s two sides formed in this debate and the truth is, those who argue that it’s morally wrong and should be changed are right...and the ones who say he signed the contract, he should honour it and the fight is only huge money cos of the A side anyway and not because of the belts are also right.
     
  5. Scissors

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    Spot on. It’s morally wrong but it’s (officially) correct.
     
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  6. TonyHayers

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    Sport is on a level playing field. Anyone can have a crack depending on ability and if you're good enough you can go professional.

    That however doesn't mean that all professionals should be paid the same. An obvious point, but where do you think the money is coming from in order to pay these people? If 100 people turn up to a leisure centre to watch Billy Joe Saunders and 90,000 turn up to a football stadium to watch Anthony Joshua should they be paid the same because both are world title fights?

    Your argument seems to be that the guy who can play grade 8 virtuoso guitar but sells a hundred tickets to see him play should get more money than the three chord band who can sell out a stadium because he's better. Think of professional sport as another form of entertainment and you've got your answer.
     
  7. londonboxingess

    londonboxingess Active Member Full Member

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    Sport is a level playing field? Have a day off, how many normal lads play for England Rugby or hockey team or even rowing and things like that.
     
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  8. TonyHayers

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    Why is it morally wrong?
     
  9. Scissors

    Scissors Posts are sponsored by Matchroom Full Member

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    Because the champion of the world. The number 1 ranked heavyweight. The holder of 4 belts. Is getting about 10%.

    Morally is the wrong word to be honest. But it’s not right is it. It’s his own fault though for signing up to it.
     
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  10. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    A perfectly normal point to raise in a thread about notoriously privileged, Old-Etonian, Oxbridge educated member of the landed gentry Lord Anthony Joshua.
     
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  11. TonyHayers

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    But on his own Ruiz can't really sell a ticket and that's why purses change. Is it 'morally' right that Joshua is generating 90% of the revenue for this fight on the back of him being part of it if he ended up being paid the short end of the wedge?
     
  12. Twentyman

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    I reckon Ruiz could now pull in a big audience in Mexico off the back of his win against Joshua.
     
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  13. Scissors

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    Look at Bellew/Haye Degale/Eubank. Fighters vacating for the paydays. The belts don’t bring the money nowadays unfortunately.
     
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  14. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Listen, as usual with life, people open their mouths without putting themselves in other peoples shoes.

    I have been blessed with the ability to think from another persons perspective, I can sympathize, empathize, simulate how I would feel in Ruiz position IF I HAD been Ruiz for the past 10 years, not if I just stepped into his shoes now and got offered 9 million.

    Because I have never been offered even one million before.

    So it is distastefully WRONG what he is being offered from the pot, BUT he did sign up to whatever he signed up too.. I don't know what it says on splits but he should accept.

    Are rematch clauses needed? Yeah probably

    Should rematch clauses reverse the split from the first bout? Yeah, that is more fair.

    Was I the first person to suggest this in the forum? Yes, probably.
     
  15. UKboxingfan

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    The belts have value but not as much as people think and I agree with you. Say AJ randomly fights Fury next with no belts on the line, it breaks all records in the UK. Eubank could have the WBC title but he chose to fight Degale and Bellew left his cruiserweight title to fight Haye.

    If a fighter is popular and the fights are deemed as good then it doesn’t matter.
     
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