In todays area from 154-175 does anyone beat a prime Roy Jones jr?

Nobody is going to take you seriously.

 

I think that would be a good match up.
I could imagine Saunders slick boxing giving Roy problems

 

Oh ok
so you are implying Benn, Collins, Nunn, Michalczewski werent considered as big possible fights and big fights for Roy.
So what MW fight did he have that at the time was bigger than Eubank or Benn?
What SMW fight did he have with an opponent with a better SMW resume than Eubank?
Did he face the lineal champ Michalczewski?

Im sure people who know the era will take it seriously, but you better not if its going to upset you that much

 

Lol Not even the guys themselves that you mentioned believe that they beat prime Roy.

I guarantee you ward(the best one out of your "candidates") himself doesn't think he takes prime Roy.

Was Roy a clean athlete? Probably not, but he played by the same rules that everybody else did in the era where nobody really cared and the only test he failed, his opponent failed as well and he wrecked him.

Get real dude


Prime Roy over everyone today. Only a handful of ATGs beat him, his peak from 94-99 was one of the highest and most dominant in history comparable to Armstrong, Robinson, louis, pre-exile Ali(who by the way didn't have a great resumee but the eye test is obvious), Duran, Tyson, Pacquiao, Mayweather and recently Lomachenko(who's favourite fighter and inspiration is Roy)


These are ATGs that at their very best were so good that you couldn't believe that what you were watching was actually real and it is hard to imagine anyone at their weight beating them.


If Roy had retired at age 34 none of this bs would be discussed

 

You've been doing this for years.

You love to be controversial for the attention.

None of the above is relevant to what you wrote.

The above is a different debate altogether.

You think Ottke WOULD have (not could have) beaten Roy at his peak?

Really?

Despite the fact that he couldn't even clearly beat Reid or Brewer?

Behave.

You think Collins WOULD have beaten Roy, despite the fact that a faded Eubank gave him all he could handle?

Your list is a joke.

To have beaten Roy, you needed 2 things:

1. Absolute belief that you could beat him.

2. A stylistic match up in your favour.

Without both of those things together, you couldn't get the job done. And that omits most of the guys from your list.

A few examples:

A guy like Collins certainly had the belief and the desire. Yet he didn't have the skills. It wasn't a horrible match up for Roy stylistically. Collins didn't possess a size advantage. He wasn't technically superior. He wasn't faster. He wasn't more powerful. He wasn't hard to hit. He wasn't a southpaw etc.

Billy Joe Saunders is technically excellent. A fast southpaw with great timing, great footwork and great reflexes etc. But we know that he didn't possess the belief that he could beat a guy like GG. He admitted that he didn't think he could beat him a few years ago. He wanted him to slow down. He's on record saying that. So there's no way he'd have been confident in beating a phenom like Roy. That goes without saying. And if you don't have the belief, you don't go into the fight like you normally would. His mindset was completely different to that of Collins and Benn. Collins would have fought GG in a heartbeat. So the mental aspect rules a guy like Billy out. And that's what rules Calzaghe out too.

Most of the guys on your list have one or the other, but not both.

Michael Nunn had both.

He had the confidence and the belief, but he also had the style. A tall southpaw with slick skills, who possessed a 77" reach with great speed and great reflexes.

A horrible stylistic match up for Roy.

Guys like Dariusz were all mouth. When someone like Roch put it on him, he looked for a way out by feigning injury.

Kovalev was the same. Great power and good skills, but folded when he couldn't intimidate the opposition. Ward beat him both physically and mentally and now he'll never be the same.

Your list is poor and many of those guys would never have signed a contract to fight Roy.

 

I give golovkin a chance to beat roy possibly

Canelo lesser chance

Callum smith haven't seen enough yet too green in my eyes

BJS makes it competitive for the first half of the fight

Roy wipes 154

175. To unknown......

I give golovkin the best chance to beat him

Golovkins piercing jab I dont think ggg stops roy
And I'm not saying ggg beats roy

Just saying If there was anyone I would bet on beating roy it would be ggg

Great gas tank
Sniper jab able to hit a moving target
Great chin wont be to scared to come in to find Roy

Canelo makes it interesting but his gas tank sucks

Canelo makes it competitive first half but gasses out same with Billy Joe Saunders

So Golovkin would be my best bet

 

Ottke beating Roy is hilarious lol

 

Possibly, I feel that coming back down from HW hurt his punch resistance, kind of like when Chris Byrd went to light heavy?

 

We saw when fighters believed they could beat Roy in tarver and Johnson
Yes the same Johnson that when faded beat Roy but when prime lost to ottke. Fact

You mention Collins having a tough fight with eubank yet fail to mention eubank wasn't faded, was a long reigning champion and that it was Collins first fight at the weight and a more accomplished smw than any Roy faced

How was michalczewski all mouth when he was the champion
I wouldn't be so derogatory about these brave fighters but funny you don't say the same about Roy who won michalczewskis old belts without facing the champion. Now as said. I wouldn't be so derogatory but interesting how I exposed your double standards again with such ease.

 

Why?
Ottke was a good boxer who beat prime Johnson who when faded beat Jones

 

Come and have a proper debate instead of being silly.

 

I don't agree with your opinion, but I respect it.

I respect the reasons that you've given.

The issues I'd have with pitting him against Roy, is that he hasn't got a big reach, he hasn't got great head movement which makes him very easy to hit, and he marks up.

Yes, he has a great chin and a great jab and great belief, but how would he have coped with Roy's incredible hand speed and unorthadox style?

That's the issue.

Like many others, he has the power. But he'd obviously have needed the opportunity to have landed it.

After watching guys like Kell Brook hit him flush with combinations, I'd have to have made Roy a huge favourite.

 

bailey,

Yes, Antonio Tarver had the belief and the style to always trouble Roy.

He should definitely be on a list of guys who could have had a realistic chance of beating Roy.

Glen Johnson was a warrior, but IMHO, he could never have beaten a prime version of Roy.

That's what you're not taking into account here.

A PRIME version of Roy wasn't the 35 year old who'd dropped back from HW.

I'm still yet to meet/debate with a fan of Glen's who'd have favoured him over a prime version of Roy.

I don't care about your stats.

Eubank was never the same after the Watson tragedy, and he admits himself that he was lucky to fight Collins with his unbeaten record intact.

He admits that he lost to Schommer and Benn, and many people believe that he lost at least one fight to Ray Close.

He was faded.

Collins was tough and they matched up great. But Collins would never have beaten Roy. The only advantage he had over Roy was his chin. But that wouldn't have been enough.

The Roy-DM saga has been done to death.

What I said was that when Roch put it on him he looked for a way out.

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