Breaking: AJ/Ruiz II Officially Confirmed for Dec. 7th in Saudi Arabia, $84 million pot

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Anthony Joshua vs. Andy Ruiz II, who wins?

  1. Anthony Joshua Points

    17.5%
  2. Anthony Joshua KO

    37.3%
  3. Draw

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  4. Andy Ruiz Points

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  5. Andy Ruiz KO

    41.6%
  1. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just because there's a rematch clause, it doesn't give one the right to fleece the other. Everything Hearn's put forth shows the douchebag has no real incentive to make a fight. No mfker wants to go to **** hole like SA. Ya can't even drink beer. That's not for fight fans. All the money is coming from the king of SA. This is not for the fans. Hell, the douchebag never even consulted Ruiz before announcing that it was confirmed. WTF who confirmed it huh? It's also impossible to go to the UK with their BS judging and the FIASCO THAT IS UKAD/BBBoC.

    And didn't that fake ass punk AJ said that he'd beat Ruiz anywhere in the world, even with his dad/etc as the ref? What happened then? Then Hearn says its confirmed in SA. Yea, that's code for you slow ones, no fight possible so lets drag it out in the media.

    And also WTF is the problem with NYC? Did AJ get ROBBED or something? Huh?
     
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  2. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure Ruiz legit beat Joshua. However he should just honour what he signed and if he is good enough he can do it all over again and become a global superstar
     
  3. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Will ignore your "slow" bull**** comment, not in the mood. All I know is Ruiz was really happy when he got his contract to fight AJ and signed it. And the fight happened in the US. Why is he crying now? If he's so big and bad, go fight somewhere else.

    See what he's doing? Exactly what AJ does. Ruiz is exercising his power. Now that he's champ, the fight's gotta happen in his backyard (again) and on his terms. Ruiz is going to exercise as much power as he can before he loses those belts. Because unlike AJ, he couldn't draw flies. So much for gladiator Ruiz, now he's dictating terms too. But you are cool with Ruiz exercising his power, not when AJ exercised it.

    AJ's position was and still is much higher than Ruiz's now. AJ was making millions because HE draws all the people. His opponents got lucky when he chose them. Ruiz will tell you this yourself. He's still the money man until people are completely done with him (look at Broner). Why would he give up all the power he's gotten? Ruiz is just tasting that power and is exercising it, only AJ did it first, through contract.

    I cannot stand Floyd Mayweather but he had things his way for the same reasons. I don't care about Hearn and what he's doing. He's a promoter, all promoters care about is money. They don't give a damn about the fans. Saudi Arabia is a **** place for the fight but they have their reasons.
     
  4. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ruiz didn't say he was so big and bad. You just wrote that. It was AJ that said he was so big and bad, that he'd beat Ruiz anywhere. Why not NY then? Why Saudi Arabia? I'll tell you, cuz the ****ing saudis are paying ludicrous oil money to wash their image. It's not about anyone but Hearn here. Why the **** should anyone agree to it?

    AJ doesn't have any position or leverage without the belts. You guys are like twats. What is it then, is it a ****ing boxing sport or is this a wall street analyst session? Are we watching boxing or who draws viewers? Hmm? Right now, Ruiz has all the leverage. The whole ****ing point of a rematch clause is to keep the belts where they are and to give the LOSER, the FIRST chance at winning them back. It's doesn't mean Ruiz has to kowtow to this dumbass ****.

    And again why SA? "Saudi Arabia is a **** place for the fight but they have their reasons." Their reasons, you mean no ****ing BOXING COMMISSION? The promoter is signed off by their sports whatver the **** they call it, and the whole event is run by that promoter. If you thought UKAD/BBBoC handled things like ****, just wait for it. AJ could dope to the ****ing gills, and Hearn has who to tell?
     
  5. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Listen "twat", if it was up to me I'd love the fight to be in my backyard. You don't seem to understand that boxing is a business. It's a JOB. They don't do this for free and your romanticized gladiator bull****. There are contracts and money on the line, images, etc. I have learned to understand this. You should too. These guys don't get brain damage purely for your entertainment.
     
  6. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Godamn pansy ass shithead. Stop quoting ppl when you got jack **** to debate. You always whine out instead of dealing with the points. Oh i remember now, YOU ARE THE ******* who was making fun of Ruiz pre fight. It makes sense now you pansy ass ****er.
     
  7. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Whine out? You mean I don't spend my whole day arguing with you since you seem to want to go on forever? You want people to engage with you endlessly so bad and get so mad when it doesn't happen. **** is hilarious. What points? You got no points. The contract voids all your garbage. If Ruiz gets as big as Joshua, I can't wait to quote you when he's putting rematch clauses with terms heavily in his favor. Like he and ALL fighters would do in that position. Keep thinking he'd be different.
     
  8. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You write ****, lie half the time, and never debate the ****ing points. GTFO. IOn other words when you lose a debate you start talking about tangential ****.
     
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  9. kirk

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    To each their own I suppose. I think it looks petty, diva'ish and dishonorable on Ruizs part, and has dampened my support of him a little bit... and from the boxing groups Im in online, Im not the only one.

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    But anyways... we'll see how this plays out. Like I said in another post though, if Ruiz isnt bluffing here, he's only hurting himself and doing AJ a favor, imo.

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    With Haymon behind Ruiz, and it being hard to believe Ruiz would have been allowed to go this far in not ceding to the rematch clause, has me wondering if the contracts not as air tight as Hearns been implying and maybe Haymons found some cracks to exploit.

    We'll see I guess.
     
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  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I'm leaning towards the latter, especially due to the rushed nature of the negotiations. There's definitely something there they can manipulate. And sometimes in order to get your way with two divas you have to out diva a diva, and maybe that's Andy's idea here. Who knows.:lol: Like you said, we'll see.
     
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  11. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Not trusting Haymon in any negotiations isn't an endorsement of Hearn. He is a money grabbing skeeze like you've described above.

    And you're waaaaay off with the last sentence. It definitely wouldn't.
     
  12. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Never said any of that. Stop lying. I said they won't take over the US. They didn't. I said Eddie didn't have a billion dollar deal and he didn't have the budget you all claimed. He didn't. I said Eddie was losing ground in the UK. He has. I said GBP was the lead boxing force on DAZN and will drive the most subscriptions. It has. I said the WBSS would provide better fights to the subscribers and a better value proposition to DAZN than Mismatchroom. It has.

    You made a terrible claim on this thread that if AJ left MisMatchroom it wouldn't affect their business at all. I immediately put you in your place but you still tried to argue and then backtracked completely. No need to try and pretend this is part of some huge campaign against you or your hero Eddie Hearn. Next time just admit you were wrong and move on, or better yet, don't chat your pro-MisMatchroom BS in the first place.
     
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  13. Goose

    Goose Russian oligarch Full Member

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    There is only there's people in the world that want this in Saudi Arabia...it's Joshua, Hearn, and the Saudi promoter. Everyone else would rather have it at a normal location.
     
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  14. Sammy123

    Sammy123 Money Maker Staff Member

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    Just let it go to court.

    Andy Ruiz isn't contesting the rematch. He wants the rematch. Just not on Hearn's dictated location.

    Courts will side with Andy Ruiz. More importantly, the sanctioning bodies will side with Ruiz., they won't strip him.

    This is a lose/lose situation with Hearn. No wonder Wilder's team wanted nothing to do with him, negotiations were never serious.

    Funny thing is, Andy Ruiz won't be the last person to knock out Joshua. Joshua's already proven himself vulnerable and chinny. Get wobbled badly by lesser fighters like Whyte and Povetkin, almost stopped by Klitschko. It was only a matter of time. Doesn't matter if Joshua regains the belts, he'll lose again to someone else by devastating KO, and Hearn will get to do this rematch clause dance all over again. :lol:
     
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  15. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fully agree with this assessment.