Oscar De La Hoya vs Felix Trinadad: greater fighter

Trinidad clearly IMO

At least Trinidad took his beating like a man against Hopkins.

De La Crossdresser took a blatant dive.

 

Oscar.

 

Tito!!

 

Delahoya ...but it’s close

 

Trinidad for me.

 

Oscar. Not even debatable imo.

 

I dont see a case for Oscar.

Trinidad was more dominant over a longer period. He beat Whitaker more convincingly. Beat a PRIME, unbeaten Vargas more convincingly - while Oscar fed on leftovers.

Tito CONVINCINGLY won a title at 160 - Oscar needed a gift against Sturm.

And in their H2H, Oscar blew it. Could have won, but blew it. Moreover, Oscar is the one who avoided the rematch at 154. Tito wanted the rematch, Oscar did not.

Theres not a HUGE gap between them, but I do feel Tito was clearly greater, and I feel he would have won big at 154.

 

This is all correct.

 

Tito also beat Carr far more convincingly.

 

I had Oscar winning the Tito fight still. Tito didn't do anything the first 9 rounds, he didn't touch Oscar at all.

You're arguing Oscar fed on leftovers with Vargas but Tito beat Whitaker more convincingly?

Whitaker was a shot cokehead when Tito fought him. It was OBVIOUS. He had no legs at all his reflexes were eroded.

It was a mistake by Vargas handlers to throw him in with Tito that early and he got caught cold in the first which took alot out of him but if they had fought 10 times(accumulated punishment and deterioration being ignored) Vargas could win 3-4 at least imo based on how that fight went and the success Vargas had despite being badly concussed early.


Yes Tito was the better middleweight but you are also completely ignoring Oscars accomplishments below welterweight.


Im actually undecided on who I have as the greater fighter and respect Tito alot but I don't agree with your arguments at all!

 

I disagree. I think they were both equally dominant. But Oscar was dominant against superior opposition. Tito fought a lot of cans as the welterweight champ. You won't find many fillers on Oscar's resume. He was constantly fighting world class opposition.

Tito beat Whitaker more convincingly but that was a washed up Whitaker. Whitaker tested positive for cocaine after the Pestryaev fight. And he was coming off a 16 month layoff when he fought Tito. Whitaker was the best p4p fighter in the world when Oscar beat him. And that was Oscar's first fight at 147.

Tito beat Vargas first. Oscar beat Whitaker first. Wouldn't that make Whitaker Oscar's leftovers? It should work both ways, right? Tito fought dirty against Vargas. The low blows might've won him the fight. On the other hand, Vargas was juiced up for the Oscar fight and he still lost. Picture perfect left hook.... to the head

Middleweight was Oscar's 6th weight class, 3rd for Tito. And I think we can both agree that Sturm was a better fighter than Joppy.

Oscar gave Tito a boxing lesson. Oscar won that fight. As for the rematch, I think the issue was the split. Saying "Tito wanted the rematch, Oscar did not" is not true.

Oscar's win over Chavez = Tito's win over Whitaker.

Tito beat Vargas, Reid, Camacho, Mayorga, Carr, Campas, Blocker, Joppy.
Oscar beat Mosley, Hernandez, Molina, Camacho, Quartey, Ruelas, Gonzalez, Leija, Mayorga, Castillejo, Carr, Campas.

Oscar > Tito imo.

 

Oscar was the better fighter

 

No he didn't although the second fight was close (and Mosley was juiced by his own admission). Mosley clearly beat Oscar in the first fight when both were prime.

That said it's close. I give the nod to Tito in that he had a longer reign and was more dominant at their best respective weights. His best wins (Oscar himself excepting) were generally more conclusive and spectacular than Oscars were (Quartey and Whitaker were debatable, he struggled with Molina, looked average against Gonzalez). If Oscar had've stayed and cleaned out 135 before moving up then he'd have the better case because he was a beast in that division, he just wasn't there for long enough.

I'm a big fan of both fighters though.