Gennady Golovkin vs Sergiy Derevyanchenko is set for October 5th

Canelo won 3 rounds, 4 rounds and 6 rounds vs Mayweather on the judges scorecards. That's an average of 4.33 rounds won. Scoring it 119-109 is 2 rounds outside of the judge who had it widest to Floyd. My argument isn't that Canelo put on a clinic vs Mayweather, it's that he put on a feinting clinic vs Mayweather. Mayweather literally flinched 35 times to Canelo feints, many of them hard flinches. I counted them. To Flinch 35 times in a single fight is unheard of, and about 20 of those feints happened in the first 3 rounds ! That's otherworldly. But to your point, feints by themselves don't score and generally don't win you rounds. However given how many times Mayweather bit on Canelo feints, that goes against the argument that it was a Mayweather clinic.

I'll try to break this down for you and explain why Canelo GGG 1 was a clinic and why Mayweather Canelo wasn't. Watch the first 6 rounds of Mayweather Canelo and compare that to the first 6 rounds of Canelo GGG 1. The first 6 rounds of Mayweather Canelo were dead even. Each of those first 6 rounds were extremely close. There was no schooling by Mayweather, no clinic by Mayweather. Mayweather was in a chess match with Canelo. It was back and forth OK? Now starting in round 7 Mayweather started to take over. He had a big round 7 and had nice rounds 8 and 9. In those 3 rounds Mayweather was putting on a bit of a clinic. Then in round 10 Mayweather was doing good but Canelo came back in the 2nd half of the 10th. Then in the 11th Mayweather had another big round. The 12th was very low output but was arguably a Canelo round.

In rounds 7-9 and round 11 you could say that Mayweather was putting on a bit of a clinic. But NOT in the first 6 rounds, and not in round 10 and 12.

In Canelo GGG 1, unlike Mayweather Canelo which started very close with toss up rounds, Canelo was putting on a literal clinic early on. GGG was like a fish out of water in those early rounds. Round 1 was a feel out round, but Canelo clearly won rounds 2 and 3 and was in fact putting on an outboxing clinic. It wasn't until the end of round 5 that GGG landed anything of note. For the first 4 and a half rounds Canelo was putting on a clinic. But then GGG started to get into the fight, he started landing more, and at that point it was no longer a Canelo clinic like it was early on. Still Canelo was setting traps like in round 8 with that uppercut but it was no longer a clinic. The last 3 rounds weren't a Canelo clinic either, it became a firefight. Canelo won those later rounds imho but it wasn't clinic. It became a bit of a war.

But in those first 4 and a half rounds it was absoutely a Canelo clinic. The way he was outboxing GGG he was making it look so easy, how he laid back on the ropes in round 4 and 5 and was pretty much toying with GGG, it was clinical. But then GGG made some adjustments started to close the distance and it no longer was a Canelo clinic. It became a very close fight. But it was a clinic early on. Mayweather Canelo on the other hand wasn't a clinic becuase Mayweather needed to make adjustments and it took him 6 rounds to figure Canelo out. When you're putting on a clinic it doesn't take you any time to figure a guy out. Generally from the opening bell you can tell it's a clinic. If you watch those first 6 rounds of Mayweather Canelo it was dead even. Mayweather was flinching out of his mind, and it was a learning experience for both men.

But then starting in round 7 Floyd started to take over then Mayweather started to school Canelo a bit, but it took him a long time to get to that point. Canelo came right out of the gate and started schooling GGG. It took GGG about 4 or 5 rounds to put an end to that clinic. Now look we all see things differently, and it would be a boring place if we all agreed on everything in boxing. I know some people think Floyd dominated Canelo and some people think GGG beat Canelo. That doesn't change what actually happened and what was a clinic. Neither Floyd Canelo or Canelo GGG 1 was a clinic start to finish. They were both close fights, however portions of each fights did look like clinics. Canelo gave Floyd a schooling on feints. (he did, you cannot deny that) Floyd gave Canelo a schooling in rounds 7-9 and round 11 in making him miss and landing some good shots. (it happened, I can't deny it) Canelo gave GGG a schooling in rounds 1-5 of the first fight when it comes to ring generalship and fighting off the backfoot. And even in rounds that he lost like round 8 he still was setting traps and landing big shots which were clinical. And I'll admit, in the rematch after GGG got beat up by Canelo over the first 8 rounds, in rounds 10 and 12 GGG had some nice moments, schooling moments. Also in rounds 1 and 4 GGG showcased some nice boxing manuevers, I can't deny that and I can't take that away from GGG. But it just wasn't sustained for long enough to be conisdered a clinic imho. In rounds 1-5 int he first fight Canelo was making it look easy and over that period of time Canelo was absolutely putting on a clinic. GGG put a stop to the clinic though by closing the distance and outworking him in the middle rounds which made it a close and fascinating match. That's what happened.

 

Is this what the kids are doing now, counting flinches???

 

I'm not redefining anything. I know what putting on a clinic means, you clearly don't. Putting on a clinic isn't about domination whatsoever. It's about teaching the opponent something about fighting while you are beating him. It's about teaching the crowd who is watching something about fighting while you are winning. It's like if you wanted to teach a kid who to fight you might show him footage of Ali Liston 1 how Ali was using his jab and making it impossible for Liston to hit him. That's putting on a clinic, meanting a demonstration of how to fight at a high level.

The definition of clinic is : a conference or short course on a particular subject. It's a teachable get together where an expert in a field demonstrates how to do something to a crowd who don't know how to do something, and want to learn how to do something. That's what a clinic is. Now granted it could be a domination but it doesn;t have to be. For something to be a clinic it has to show people who know nothing about boxing how to perform in a boxing ring, how to do it intelligently and at a high level. So when other see it they learn how to fight that way and can apply it themselves. That's what a clinic is.

To your other points, Mayweather did not dominated Alvarez start to finish. The first 6 rounds were dead even. You need to watch it again. Mayweather dominated Alvarez is round 7, and also to an extent in rounds 8, 9 and 11. That's about it, the other rounds were extremely close and debatable either way. That's why it was a close fight, particularly early on. Floyd made adjustments starting in round 7 and started to pull away. Before that it was as close of a fight as Floyd's ever been in.

And in regard to the 35 flinches, more than 20 of those flinches occurred in the first 3 rounds IIR, so early on Floyd was flinching like crazy. On average that's about 7 flinches by Floyd in the first 3 rounds adn they were hard flinches. Watch it back, count them, you'll see what I'm talking about. It's impossible to miss. Floyd didn't flinch as much in rounds 4-12 and like I said he made adjustments and started to take over in round 7, but I'm sorry you can't put on a clinic while biting on 7 feints a round early on and arguably losing rounds 2-4 which he arguable did, 4 especially, all 3 judges giving Floyd the 4th was an absolute joke. Floyd not only cranked Canelo's neck in a headlook but also Canelo had about 10-15 unanswered punches landed over the second half of the round, before Floyd finally landed the last punch of the round. Watch it back you'll see precisely what I'm talking about. You just don't remember because you haven't watched it in forever.

 

GGG put on a clinic by punching Canelo in the face more times than he's ever been punched in the face before ... in both fights. Tell ginger to post the schoolfees cheque to 101 Ironfist Ave, Karaganda, Kazakhstan

 

Feinting successfully, getting your opponent to bite and flinch on feints repeatedly is an example of high level ring generalship. Again we're not talking about just one or two flinches, we're talking about over 20 flinches in the first 3 rounds. That's otherworldly. You cannot be putting on a clinic while flinching 7 times a round early on in a fight whilst getting hit with clean punches. It's impossible.

 

Since when has that been the definition of clinic in boxing? Never once have I heard that term used like that.
It has always been a "boxing clinic" when one opponent dominates the other. Meaning they outclass the opponent. Take them to school so to speak.

Man, Micky Ward sure put one quite a lot of clinics since he landed that left hook to the liver on an nightly basis.
Every Mayweather fight was clinic because of his body jab. It was his bread and butter, his best weapon. And boy did he land it! Or you could say the same about the shoulder roll.

 

GGG's output in the first fight wasn't as a result of high level skill though. After getting schooled early on in the first fight, he did start landing more and his toughness and relentlessness has not been ignored by me. But it wasn't clinical. He wasn't landing clean, a lot of his connects were glancing shots that Canelo was mostly slipping. You know this. What Canelo was doing to GGG early on was clinical, he was giving him a boxing lesson. And in fairness GGG gave Canelo a boxing lesson in rounds like 1, 4, 10 and 12 in the rematch, but in the other rounds GGG was just getting beat up. GGG wasn't able to sustain his boxing off the backfoot continuously and successfully round after round like Canelo did in rounds 1-5 of the first fight. It was only a round here, a round there, but in the first fight until the end of round 5 it was a continuous schooling by Canelo. That's the difference.

 

What has flinching to do with anything? The key to feinting is not to get you opponent to flinch. It is to get control of them. To learn what they are looking for or to discourage them.
It is a tool to gather information and to get the opponent out of position.

Say i feint a jab and you try to counter it(which every way). Now I know that is something you are looking to do.
Say I feint and you don't do anything. Now I know I can attack freely.

Great video about feinting.

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McGirth took advantage of the information he was able to gather. Mayweather did not let Canelo take advantage. You are reading into the wrong part of the fight.

 

Look I'm not arguing that Canelo was able to capitalize all that much on getting Mayweather to flinch. A couple of times he did but never really made him pay enough. And that had to do with how patient Canelo was. But it does show that Floyd was very cautious and wary for him to flinch that much. He's never done that in any other fight, flinch that much and it shows how hard Floyd had to work and how dialed in he was. If Canelo was more aggressive he may have been able to follow up on those flinches but he could have also gotten countered more. Frankly I think Canelo was kind of shocked at how hard Floyd was reacting so he kept doing it over and over again and Floyd kept reacting. I think Canelo was like WTF this guy is reacting hard to everything I'm doing. When you got a guy pulling back that hard looking to counter you as Floyd was it was smart to not try and be too aggressive and walk into counters. Canelo was actually fighting a really smart fight vs Floyd early on. That's why he didn't win as many rounds as he probably could have because he was being real patient, arguably too patient but when you're fighting Floyd Mayweather I don't think you can be too patient. If you are not patient enough Floyd will make you pay. In fact many times Floyd turned into the aggressor vs Canelo because it was such a chess match, because Canelo was content to stand there and look for opportunities Floyd had lead and stay in the pocket more.

 

FLINCHSTATS!!

 

Ok

 

So to be clear, thos is a GGG vs Derevyanchenko correct? Sure seems like it is a Canelo thread.

I have only seen Deryanchenko fight 2 times, and he seems like a very live body in there. If GGG is complacent or gets old overnight it could be a tough evening.
If a top form GGG shows up he wins within the distance.
I know that styles make fights, but the Jacobs fight was very tough for both of these guys, Deveryanchenko belongs in the top tier discussion at 160.

My prediction is GGG KO rounds 8-10.

 

Since boxing seems to have been renamed flinching i thought this would be an appropriate link

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I like this fight.. it will keep triple G honest & tuned for the Canelo rubber match .. all is not well at golden tranny promotions it seems too!

Good fight.. I think Dchenko has his moments too

 

It makes sense when you break it all down huh.